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If you are not located in the United States, you'll have -to check the laws of the country where you are located before using this ebook. - - - - -Title: Talk about Socialism with an old shopmate - - -Author: Anonymous - - - -Release Date: June 18, 2020 [eBook #62420] - -Language: English - -Character set encoding: UTF-8 - - -***START OF THE PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK TALK ABOUT SOCIALISM WITH AN OLD -SHOPMATE*** - - -Transcribed from the 1800’s Religious Tract Society pamphlet by David -Price, email ccx074@pglaf.org - - [Picture: Public domain cover] - - - - - - TALK ABOUT SOCIALISM - WITH AN OLD SHOPMATE. - - - * * * * * - - THE RELIGIOUS TRACT SOCIETY, INSTITUTED 1799. - 56, PATERNOSTER ROW, AND 65, ST. PAUL’S CHURCHYARD. - -THINKS I to myself the other sabbath afternoon, as I sat alone with my -Bible before me—thinks I to myself, that was a comforting text in God’s -holy word that our minister preached from this morning; “All things work -together for good to them that love God:” and a capital sermon it was, -too, that he gave us; for though it cut me to the heart on account of my -sins, it brought the tears into my eyes, on account of God’s mercy and -grace. - -Well, I read the chapter that the text was taken from all to myself; for -my Nancy was gone to public worship, and I was left to take care of the -house, and our little Mary, and the young one in the cradle. The house -was clean and tidy, and everything was quiet, and I felt happy like. -Trust me for having as many cares as my neighbours; a poor man ought not -to expect to be without them, nor, for the matter of that, a rich man -neither: but I felt happy, and though I said nothing, my heart thanked -God. - -Thinks I to myself, we are bad enough as it is; ay, the very best of us; -but if places of worship were to be shut up, and we had no ministers to -preach to us, and had no Bibles to read, we should be a deal worse than -we are: and this set me a thinking about the blessing of the sabbath day, -and the comfort of prayer, and the peace of mind there is in thinking of -the salvation of Christ, and the promises of God. Not that I can always -get the comfort from them as I could wish, for I am a poor ignorant -creature, and the turn of a straw is enough, at times, to turn my -thoughts from good things to bad. But I felt, as I said, happy like in -the quietness that a God fearing man enjoys on the sabbath day, and in -the peace of that religion in which my dear father and mother before me -had lived and died; and I was determined, with God’s help, to stick to -it, while I had any breath in my body. Thinks I, there is many of us -that have sadly stood in our own light, in neglecting the sabbath and -holy things. What fools we are to cheat ourselves as we do! When we run -after our follies, the jack o’ lanterns that dance before us, and lead us -astray, no wonder that we get into the mire; “but they that wait upon the -Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as -eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not -faint,” Isaiah xl. 31. - -As I sat musing in this way over my Bible, the door-way was darkened a -little, all on a sudden; so I lifted up my head, and there I saw Tom -Fletcher with a lot of books in his hand. - -Tom was once a shopmate of mine; and, though I never took him to be a -very wise man, nor over bright in his upper story, yet, for all that, he -was better than many. He had brought his books on purpose to talk to me -about them. In a minute or two we were in the thick of them. - -Says he, “I have not seen you for some time; and since you and I met, I -have joined the Socialists.” “Joined who?” says I. “Why,” says he, “the -Socialists;” and with that he told me all about it. By his account it -seemed that the world had been going round the wrong way ever since it -was made, but the Socialists were going to put matters to rights again. -“Just shut up your Bible,” says he, “and I will show you my books.” - -Now I had heard of the Socialists before, and as I had not the best -opinion of them, I thought my Bible quite as good, and a pretty deal -better than their books. “Tom,” says I, “a bird in the hand is worth two -in the bush. If I shut my Bible, you are not likely to open as good a -book, I have a notion; so we had better let well alone.” But Tom was -very pressing; and so, putting his books on the table, he began to tell -me, that the Socialists had no object in the world but the good of -mankind; that everything had been for ages, and now was, all sixes and -sevens; and that matters were not likely to be mended, till, burning our -Bibles, and putting aside religion, and all our other fanciful notions, -we became Socialists. - -Thinks I to myself, Great cry and little wool, Tom; but as I had never -looked into any of the books of the Socialists, I picked up the one that -lay at the top, and turned over a few pages, dipping here and there. - -I suppose the colour came into my cheeks; for Tom looked hard at me. -“Tom,” says I, “if so be that I haven’t been walking on my head instead -of my heels all the days of my life, and if I know black from white, why -then this book of yours is an indecent and abominable book, that I should -be ashamed to put into any body’s hand. Is it possible that Tom -Fletcher, my old shopmate, can hold—” “Oh,” says Tom, looking as sharp -as a hawk at the book in my hand, “oh,” says he, “I didn’t mean you to -see that! I thought I had put that number a one side. I don’t hold -exactly with it.” “Don’t hold exactly with it!” says I; “why it’s no -more fit to be touched than a tarred stick. If the rest of your books -are like it, a precious lot they must be altogether.” - -Tom looked a little queerish, as if he was ashamed of the book and of -himself too. Thinks I to myself, Now’s my time to have a rap at him; for -though I feel kindly to him, yet as he seems to want it, a rap on the -knuckles mayhap will do him good. - -“And so, Tom,” says I, “this is one of the books of the Socialists, is -it? One of the books that you want to recommend to me? Now tell me if -you really think in your heart and conscience that that book is fit to be -read by anybody?” - -Tom looked first one way, then another; he was all abroad. At last, says -he, “I meant to burn that book.” “Glad to hear it,” says I; so taking up -the book, with his consent, I poked it between the bars of the grate, and -a rare blaze it made, flaring half way up to the mantel piece, giving -more light to the world than it had ever done before, or ever would have -done in any other way. - -Says I to Tom, when the filthy book was burned, says I, “Tom, when a man -goes to market to buy a cheese, and the cheesemonger pushes in his borer -that he may taste it, if he doesn’t like the bit that he bores out, it -sets him against the whole cheese; for he naturally expects that one is -like the other. Now it is just the same with your books: birds of a -feather, you know, flock together; and as one of them has turned out to -be a black crow, I hardly expect to find the rest of ’em to be white -pigeons.” - -Well, I took up all his books, one after another: some things in them I -did understand and some I did’nt; for there was so much about -_impressions_, and _principles_, and _institutions_, and _propensities_ -and _organizations_ that it flustered me. It was clear that a longer -head than mine had been concerned in getting ’em up; so all that I could -do was to try to get at some of the marrow of them here and there. - -I’m not over clever at book learning, but still I had gumption enough to -make out a few points that settled my opinion about Socialism. I saw, or -thought I saw, that the god of the Socialists was only a “Cause of all -existences;” that he never troubled his head about us, and that we ought -never to trouble our heads about him. That, in fact, there was no such -God, in the Socialists’ opinion, as the gracious Almighty Being whom -Christians worship. - -I saw, too, that Socialists believed the Bible to be a lie, trumped up to -keep silly people in bondage: that marriage was considered “the greatest -crime against nature,” that ought to be done away with; that theft, -adultery, blasphemy, and murder were no crimes, for man was “not a -responsible being;” he was “neither to be blamed or praised, rewarded or -punished for either his thoughts, feelings, or actions;” that death was -“simply a change of one organization for another;” and that the Christian -notions of hell, heaven, and hereafter were all a bag full of moonshine. - -Now it grieved me that an old shopmate of mine should have tumbled into -such a bog hole as Socialism; but thinks I, mayhap, after all, he has -only been led out of the way by sharper fellows than himself, and doesn’t -above half believe the juggling claptraps that are printed in his books; -so I said to him, “Tom, look at me and answer me this question, Do you -believe that there is a God?” Tom blinked, and shuffled, and stammered, -and opened one of the books and read a bit about “nature,” and a “first -cause,” and “a general principle,” and a “supreme power,” and “an -external cause of all existence,” and an “all pervading cause of motion -and change;” but I stopped him at once. - -“Tom,” said I, “you may spare yourself the trouble of running over that -long rigmarole; for I’m not to have dust flung in my eyes in that way. I -do not want to know what _your book says_, but what _you believe_; so -answer my question. A handful of good grain is better than a bushel of -chaff, and a yes or a no can be understood by any body. Do you believe -that there is a gracious and merciful God, that you are bound to fear and -to love with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul, and -with all your strength, to worship him, to give him thanks, to put your -whole trust in him, to call upon him, to honour his holy name and his -word, and to serve him truly all the days of your life?” - -I saw that whether Tom said yes or no, it was all one, for he didn’t know -which to say. It suited him better to read to me out of his books than -it did to answer my questions; but I asked him another question. “Tom,” -says I, “do you really believe that the Bible is a lie? You don’t doubt -the history of England, the history of Rome, and the history of Greece, -and these have never been kept with half the care, nor gone through a -tenth part of the sifting that the Bible has. Do you really believe that -the Bible is a lie?” Tom had not the boldness to say that he did; and I -felt sure in my heart that he did not think it was. “Tom,” says I, “are -you so far gone as to think that marriage is a foolish and wicked -institution? I thought your sister was going to be married; is it all -off, then, or is she to disgrace you and her family?” - -This question twisted Tom as much as the last, and I saw that I was about -as likely to get a badger out of his hole, as to get an answer from him. -“Well,” says I, “Tom, I’ll say nothing about your sister, if its -disagreeable, but ask you another question instead. Have you so little -uprightness left in your deceived heart as to suppose that theft, -adultery, blasphemy, and murder are no reproach to a man; and that any -one may set up the trade of a robber on the highway, and justify himself -by saying that he cannot help it, for ‘his character is formed for him by -circumstances?’” - -Tom was not at all staunch; he did not stick up like one that believes -and has confidence in what he says. “Tom,” says I, “t’other day a loaded -cart was standing in the road half way up Gravelly Hill, with the wheels -scotched, when a mischievous lad knocked the stones from under the -wheels, and away went the loaded cart, over his foot, rattling down the -hill, clearing every thing before it. The young urchin was half -frightened out of his wits; he set the cart off easily enough, but not -the whole neighbourhood could stop it. Now I take it, Tom, that the -young rapscallion played just the same game as the Socialists are -playing, with this difference, that the wheel of the cart only went over -his toes, whereas the mischief that the Socialists are setting on foot -will in the long run, go over their own necks.” - -Tom kept fumbling at his books, not knowing what to be at. He wanted -somebody to back him. He believed his books just as much, and no more, -than he would have believed any other tale of a tub, told him by a -cleverer fellow than himself. - -“Tom,” says I, “when a man once turns his back upon God, there is no -folly and no sin that he may not be led to commit. You have gone a long -way, and I’m sorry for it; but I hardly think you are gone as far as your -famous books will take you. Speak up now like a man, and tell me, have -you been fooled into the belief that there is no hereafter?—no hell, and -no heaven?” - -At this Tom looked like any thing but a conjurer. At length he said that -if I would read more of his books I should understand them better than I -did. - -“Read your books, Tom!” says I, “I should just as soon think of taking a -dose of arsenic. A pretty deal rather had I walk barefoot through Boxley -Bog, and many a better man than me has been stuck fast there,—a pretty -deal rather had I do that, than turn Socialist. If I wanted to be worse -than I am, to deprive myself of all hope, and to plunge myself into -despair, I couldn’t do a better thing than read your trumpery; but as it -is, I will have nothing to do with it. Tom,” says I, “you are no fool in -driving a bargain: you would not be persuaded to exchange a quartern loaf -for a handful of sawdust. Now Socialism takes away from a Christian man -the Bible that comforts him, the sabbath that is his delight, the God -that he worships, the Saviour that died for him, and the heaven that he -hopes for: tell me, then, Tom, what does it give him in return?” - -If ever poor fellow was confounded, it was Tom Fletcher. Had he been -sitting on a furze bush, he could hardly have been more fidgetty. He got -out a few words, but they were very scarce and a long way apart; and as -he could’nt well put ’em together, no wonder that I can’t. - -Well, I had only been firing at him, as it were, a pop, now and then, -from a long way off, but now I was determined to bear upon him all at -once. - -“It isn’t for me, Tom,” says I, “that am not what I ought to be by a -great deal—it isn’t for me, knowing as I do a little of the wickedness of -my own heart, to deal out fire and brimstone against my fellow sinners, -and to pretend that I am white as snow and they as black as soot; but for -all that, Tom, we may be too tender with one another. If I see an adder -lying in a thoroughfare where he may sting the passer by, I’m bound to -disable him; and if I see a mad dog, foaming at the mouth, running -through the crowded street, I’m bound, if I can, to kill him. Now the -adder and the mad dog are not likely to do half the mischief that your -books are, and therefore I hold up both my hands, and cry out aloud -against them. - -“Look you,” says I, “Tom, there lies the Bible. It condemns every thing -that is evil, even every sinful thought, and upholds every thing that is -good. It teaches me to fear God, and to love my neighbour; and tells me, -sinner as I am, that there is mercy for me through Jesus Christ who died -for sinners. It gives me comfort in life, it promises me support in -death, and holds up before me the bright prospect of a happy eternity; -and it has done this for thousands who have left this world in peace, and -who are now, as I believe, in a world of glory. - -“And there, Tom, be your wretched books, which tell me, that is, if I at -all understand them, that there is no God; that the Bible is a lie; that -marriage is a foolish institution; that men ought to live just as they -think proper; that theft, adultery, blasphemy and murder are no crimes; -that there is neither hell nor heaven; and that it is idle to dream of a -hereafter. - -“If I know my own heart, Tom, or even any part of it, I wouldn’t -knowingly say a cruel thing of a butcher’s dog; but this I will say, that -I should as soon expect to be taught manners by a Hottentot, cleanliness -by a sweep, honesty by a highwayman, and godliness by a heathen, as to be -made either wiser, better, holier, or happier by having any thing to do -with Socialism. But what says that book? ‘The grace of God that -bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying -ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and -godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the -glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who -gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and -purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works,’ Titus ii. -11–14.” - -Never did a poor fellow caught in the fact of robbing a hen-roost, slink -away in a more humble, chopfallen spirit than poor Tom Fletcher did. -Whether he will ever bring me another batch of his Socialism books or -not, I can’t tell; but if he does, the first question that I shall ask -him will be this, What have you got to offer me in exchange for the -consolations of my Bible, the comfort of prayer, the peace of the -sabbath, the goodness of God, the mercy of the Redeemer, and the -never-ending joys of heaven? And never till he gives me something like a -reasonable answer will I ever open another of his books on Socialism. - - * * * * * - - - - -HYMN. - - - GOD, in the gospel of his Son, - Makes his eternal counsels known; - ’Tis here his richest mercy shines, - And truth is drawn in fairest lines. - - Here sinners of an humble frame, - May taste his grace and learn his name; - ’Tis writ in characters of blood, - Severely just, immensely good. - - Wisdom its dictates here imparts, - To form our minds, to cheer our hearts; - Its influence makes the sinner live, - It bids the drooping saint revive. - - Our raging passions it controls, - And comfort yields to contrite souls; - It brings a better world in view, - And guides us all our journey through. - - May this bless’d volume ever lie - Close to my heart, and near my eye, - Till life’s last hour my soul engage, - And be my chosen heritage! - - * * * * * - - * * * * * - - _London_: _Printed by_ W. 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