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-                                DIALOGUE
-
-                                BETWEEN
-
-                            JOHN AND THOMAS,
-
-                                   ON
-
-                      The Corn Laws, The Charter,
-
-                              TEETOTALISM,
-
-                                  AND
-
-           _The Probable Remedy for the Present Disstresses_.
-
-
-
-                                  ❧❧❧
-
-
-                                PAISLEY:
-                PRINTED FOR THE AUTHOR, BY G. CALDWELL.
-
-                                  ---
-
-                                 1842.
-
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-
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-
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-                               DIALOGUE.
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-                                  ---
-
-
-T. Weel John what do you think is to come out o’ thae terrible times? I
-believe our kintra neer saw a time like this.
-
-J. Really they are fearfu’ looking times, and I am really at a loss what
-to think about them, or how to propose a remedy to better them.
-
-T. Deed John I’m truly at a loss mysel’ to ken what would be the best
-remedy, but it is plain we would need some remedy soon, for our miseries
-are every day increasing, and the starvation and destitution that is
-amang us is alarming. Hae ye nae idea ava’ what can be the cause o’ a’
-this bankruptcy and beggary that is come amang us?
-
-J. It is often my first thochts in the morning, and the last at night,
-to fin’ out the origin o’ a’ this distress; whiles I think the Corn Bill
-has a great effect to hurt our trade, and I hae nae doubt but it has had
-a bad effect, but how far it would remedy the evil now I’m no very sure,
-for wi’ us no takin’ their Corn, they wouldna tak’ our Goods, and noo
-baith Russia, and Prussia, and Holland, and Belgium, and France, and
-America, an’ a’, has gotten Cotton Mills, and Thread Mills, and lots o’
-our Mechanics, and they are quite independent o’ us and our goods. I
-think our landholders, if they had half an e’e in their head, micht see
-that.
-
-T. I dinna think ye’re far wrang John, altho’ I have heard some argue
-strictly in behalf o’ the Corn Bill, and tell us if it wasna the Corn
-Bill our grun’ wadna be sae weel cultivated, and its value wad sink in
-estimation, but I rather think the lads up by are feart the rents wad
-sink in their estimation; and is this a’ the relief John—the takin’ aff
-o’ the Corn Laws—that we hae to look for, for the bettering o’ our
-condition? if this is a’ it is a very forlorn hope.
-
-J. I hae nae doubt Thomas but there is ither causes that produce these
-great grievances amang us. Anither great cause, I believe, is our great
-National Debt, which hangs about our neck like a millstane, and I’m
-afraid will sink us to the bottom if the string is not cut, and what
-surprises me maist is to see sae little attention paid to economy, to
-help to pay off this debt. It is grievin’ to read o’ the thousands, and
-thousands, and hunders o’ thousands, that is payt awa’ every year to
-placemen and pensioners, for no purpose under the sun, but rank wastery:
-ane wad think, when they see our kintra sinkin’ and sae muckle need for
-care, that they would be glad to adopt any plan to save us; and they
-ha’e a capital pattern o’ cheap government laid down to them in America,
-whar the head o’ the house costs them only £6000 instead o’ £400,000,
-which some folk has to pay.
-
-T. I must confess John you talk very reasonably on the subject, and if
-your plans could be brought to work, they micht hae a gude effect; but
-there is a heap o’ folk thinks that if we had the Charter it would work
-a wonderfu’ Reform amang us, and that we woald get a’ our evils set to
-right in a short time, but I’m afraid it will not be easy gotten to mak’
-a trial o’.
-
-J. I daresay there would be a change, if that could be gotten, but, as
-ye say, I doubt it will not be gotten in a hurry, but I should like to
-see’t try’t, and see what effect it wad hae to Reform matters; but there
-is ae Reform that we a’ hae in our power, and I think every living man
-and woman should mak’ a trial o’t to see what effect it wad hae, there’s
-naebody I speak to but confesses that there is a world of evils in
-connection with it, and for that reason I think it is our duty to try
-it, and that is to abstain from all intoxicating drinks, and I cannot
-think that any man can be a sincere Chartist or Reformer, unless he be a
-Teetotaler, for the drinking o’ thae drinks completely counteracts his
-own schemes.
-
-T. Ah, noo John, are ye really gaun to tak a’ the hair o’ comfort us
-puir bodies hae left? if it wasna for the dribble o’ dram I get noo and
-than, I wad sink un’er my affliction athegither; ye canna deny I’m sure
-but it raises the spirits and mak’s us cheery mony a time, when nae
-ither thing will do’t.
-
-J. O yes, Thomas, I must confess it raises the spirits, and that to an
-awfu’ degree, sometimes to 80, but next morning you will find them sink
-to 40, being 20 below par, and then what state do ye fin’ yoursel’ in?
-do ye fin’ your purse ony benter? do ye fin’ your head ony healer? your
-character ony better, or your conscience ony sounder, after wallowing in
-that sinfu’ drink? I trow no, Thomas.
-
-T. Tuts man ye’re takin’ the very warst look o’ the thing ye can tak’;
-its weel enough kent there’s mony a ane tak’s a bit suck that disna
-drive themsel’s to thae extremities ye talk about, our Ministers, and
-Elders, and Magistrates, and Councillors too; indeed, the maist o’ folk
-that reckon themsel’s upish can a’ tak’ their moderate dram and no rin
-to excess.
-
-J. Their moderate dram! dinna tell me about moderate drams, I ken baith
-Ministers, and Elders, and Magistrates too, that hae gaen far aglee wi’
-their moderation, but independent o’ a’ that, is’t no a shamfu’ bad
-example they set before workin’ folk, (for poor folk maun aye be
-imitating the rich if they can ava) to drink thae drinks that destroy
-sae muckle o’ our grain in times like this, when poor folk’s starvin’;
-every half mutchin ye drink, Thomas, believe me or no as ye like,
-destroys as muckle gude food as wad mak’ a comfortable meal to a gude
-big family, and I’m creditably informed that there is as much destroyed
-in one distillery every morning as wad breakfast the hale town o’
-Paisley.
-
-T. Hoot, nonsense, John ye’re surely gaun out o’t noo athegither, I
-never dream’t o’ ony thing like that, ye wad maist fricht a body frae
-ever tasting a drap again; if that was the case ye wad think the hale
-kintra wad rise up in a mass against it, our legislators wad stop
-distillation, and our magistrates wad grant nae mae licenses. Hoot toot
-John, ye’re surly far wrang.
-
-J. No, tweel awat Thomas, I’m nane wrang, for if there was nane o’ the
-drunkard’s drink drucken, every inhabitant in Scotland micht hae sax
-pound o’ bread every week they hinna, and that’s but ae portion o’ the
-evil that springs frae that curse; look to the misery and madness, the
-woes and wretchedness, that it produces; we’re tax’d to a pretty degree
-even noo to support prisons like bastiles, whereas if we wad a’ drap
-drinking, a three-storey house wad ha’d a’ the criminals in a kintra
-side.
-
-T. Altho’ there a wheen fools that mak’ themsel’s idiots wi’ drinkin’,
-we’re no a’ to be blamed wi’t; there’s mony a decent respectable
-minister and magistrate baith that tak’ their dram, and disna fill
-themsel’s fou, and if folk wad only imitate their example there wad be
-nae great fear o’ gaun wrang.
-
-J. Ah, Thomas, Thomas, but it is a bad example. Scripture aye approves
-o’ them that tak’ nae drink, and I could gie ye plenty o’ instances o’t
-if you and I had time; and to finish the whole story, it declares to
-you, in Habakuk, in plain terms no to be misunderstood, “Woe to him that
-giveth his neighbour drink.” The beginning to drink is something like
-beginning to smoke or snuff, it is fun at first, but truly it often
-grows earnest, as we mony a time see; and I think, for my part, it’s far
-better to let it alane athegither; and I think it is the duty of every
-patriot and every Christian to give no countenance to these vile things;
-and every man that drinks intoxicating liquor is only assisting to
-support 40,000 men who break every Lord’s day, by destroying the
-bounties of Providence, by converting them into a most destructive and
-pernicious drink. And I think that a man that would not gie up the use
-o’ a thing that is baith useless and unnecessary, for the sake o’ his
-suffering fellow creatures, is nae man ava.
-
-T. Ye really gang a great length wi’ your teetotalism, ye seem to think
-it will be a general salve for a’ the distresses and sufferings with
-which we are afflicted; but I doubt, John, tho’ we were a’ teetotlars
-the nicht, it wadna better our condition a bawbee, in the present awfu’
-state o’ things; we’re gae an’ weel teetotal’d the noo, and that sair
-against our wills.
-
-J. Nae thanks to you for that kin’ o’ teetotalism, that’s no the genuine
-principle; besides, I am sure, if we were a’ pledged, and sterling to
-the cause, we wad soon see a different state o’ things, for I am quite
-convinced it wad be a general salve for a’ our distresses. In the first
-place, it would prevent 45 millions bushels of good grain from being
-destroyed every year, which would have a great tendency to cheapen our
-food, enabling us to manufacture our goods at a cheaper rate, and to
-cope with other nations, and completely put a check to the evil workings
-of the Corn Bill; and besides all this, the miseries and crimes, the
-misfortunes and calamities, the lunacy and suicide, the Sabbath
-desicration and a thousand other evils would almost entirely vanish from
-among us.
-
-T. Really John, ye seem to hae’t a’ by the back, and I must confess,
-there’s a good deal o’ truth in what ye say; but what wad become o’ our
-puir revenue if we were a’ to drap drinking, there wad be a bonny cry
-out then, for we hae facht enough to get the win’ rais’d as it is.
-
-J. Weel Thomas, to be plain wi’ you, I think the kintra is quite blin’
-on that subject; I ken vera weel we hae great revenue aff drink, nae
-less than 16 millions, but folk never think o’ the frightsome expense
-that thae liquors bring on us, mair I believe, than a’ they produce. See
-the tremendous Jails, Hospitals, and Asylums we hae to support; see the
-Judges, the Sheriffs, the Fiscals, and the awful army o’ Policemen we
-hae to pay; see the Criminals we hae to feed; the host o’ Witnesses and
-Lawyers which must be paid for prosecutions and trials; and the enormous
-sums levied from us in the character of Rogue Money and Prison Money;
-see the thousands paid for support of our criminal Colonies, for Freight
-of Vessels to send them to these Colonies no less than 86000 being paid
-last year for that purpose;—then say whether or not our country is
-benefitted by the revenue produced from these destructive drinks.
-
-T. I really must confess, John, you have almost made me a Total
-Abstainer, and I do now consider it my duty to give nae langer ony
-countenance to thae vile drinks; but I think we hae rather gaen aff the
-point a wee; we were talking about dull trade, and the causes o’t: ye
-surely dinna think that drinking has been the cause o’ sae mony
-bankruptcies amang us, to crack our credit, derange our business, and
-cause sic an unparalleled stagnation o’ trade.
-
-J. Deed Thomas, I dinna think we were the least aff the point about the
-cause o’ our dull trade, for I hinna the least doubt in my mind, but
-drinking is the cause o’ a’ this wretchedness we’re labouring under;
-for, independent o’ the great sums o’ money squandered awa’ on guzzling,
-and drinking, and gambling, which sums micht hae keppit mony a Back
-Bill, I hae nae doubt but mony o’ ane o’ thae Win’ Bills were drawn and
-accepted under the influence o’ the Bowl; and I am quite satisfied that
-if a’ our trading men had been teetotalers for ten years back, there
-would neither have been dull trade nor bankruptcies amang us; and our
-present sufferings are only a just judgement for a’ our sinfu’ drinkings
-and horrid abominations that spring from that source; and so wide is the
-evil effects of the drinking system, that it has seized upon almost
-every fibre of commerce, and so long as Alcoholic drinks are encouraged
-and countenanced by the upper ranks of society, and by our Ministers and
-Magistrates, I never expect to see things much better, for all classes
-sink under its demoralizing influence. Our Cabinet Ministers, our Pulpit
-Ministers, our highest gifted Literary Men, down to our humblest
-Artisans, all have suffered, all have gone astray through strong drink.
-I wish you a good night, Thomas—I hope you’ll go to-morrow and sign the
-Pledge, and I trust we’ll soon see better times.
-
-T. Good night John.
-
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-  <h1 class='c001'><span class='xlarge'>DIALOGUE</span><br /> <br /><span class='small'>BETWEEN</span><br /> <br /> <span class='xxlarge'>JOHN AND THOMAS,</span><br /> <br /><span class='small'>ON</span><br /> <br /> <b>The Corn Laws, The Charter,</b><br /> <br /> <span class='xlarge'>TEETOTALISM,</span><br /> <br /><span class='small'>AND</span><br /> <br /> <i>The Probable Remedy for the Present Disstresses</i>.</h1>
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-    <div class='c002'><span class='large'>❧❧❧</span></div>
-    <div class='c002'><span class='large'>PAISLEY</span>:</div>
-    <div>PRINTED FOR THE AUTHOR, BY G. CALDWELL.</div>
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-  <h2 class='c004'>DIALOGUE.</h2>
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-<p class='c006'>T. Weel John what do you think is to come out o’
-thae terrible times? I believe our kintra neer saw a time
-like this.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>J. Really they are fearfu’ looking times, and I am
-really at a loss what to think about them, or how to propose
-a remedy to better them.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>T. Deed John I’m truly at a loss mysel’ to ken what
-would be the best remedy, but it is plain we would need
-some remedy soon, for our miseries are every day increasing,
-and the starvation and destitution that is amang us
-is alarming. Hae ye nae idea ava’ what can be the
-cause o’ a’ this bankruptcy and beggary that is come
-amang us?</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>J. It is often my first thochts in the morning, and the
-last at night, to fin’ out the origin o’ a’ this distress;
-whiles I think the Corn Bill has a great effect to hurt our
-trade, and I hae nae doubt but it has had a bad effect,
-but how far it would remedy the evil now I’m no very sure,
-for wi’ us no takin’ their Corn, they wouldna tak’ our
-Goods, and noo baith Russia, and Prussia, and Holland,
-and Belgium, and France, and America, an’ a’, has gotten
-Cotton Mills, and Thread Mills, and lots o’ our Mechanics,
-and they are quite independent o’ us and our
-goods. I think our landholders, if they had half an e’e
-in their head, micht see that.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>T. I dinna think ye’re far wrang John, altho’ I have
-heard some argue strictly in behalf o’ the Corn Bill, and
-tell us if it wasna the Corn Bill our grun’ wadna be sae
-weel cultivated, and its value wad sink in estimation, but
-I rather think the lads up by are feart the rents wad sink
-in their estimation; and is this a’ the relief John—the
-takin’ aff o’ the Corn Laws—that we hae to look for, for
-the bettering o’ our condition? if this is a’ it is a very
-forlorn hope.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>J. I hae nae doubt Thomas but there is ither causes
-that produce these great grievances amang us. Anither
-great cause, I believe, is our great National Debt, which
-hangs about our neck like a millstane, and I’m afraid
-will sink us to the bottom if the string is not cut, and
-what surprises me maist is to see sae little attention paid
-to economy, to help to pay off this debt. It is grievin’
-to read o’ the thousands, and thousands, and hunders o’
-thousands, that is payt awa’ every year to placemen and
-pensioners, for no purpose under the sun, but rank
-wastery: ane wad think, when they see our kintra sinkin’
-and sae muckle need for care, that they would be glad to
-adopt any plan to save us; and they ha’e a capital pattern
-o’ cheap government laid down to them in America, whar
-the head o’ the house costs them only £6000 instead o’
-£400,000, which some folk has to pay.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>T. I must confess John you talk very reasonably on
-the subject, and if your plans could be brought to work,
-they micht hae a gude effect; but there is a heap o’ folk
-thinks that if we had the Charter it would work a wonderfu’
-Reform amang us, and that we woald get a’ our
-evils set to right in a short time, but I’m afraid it will
-not be easy gotten to mak’ a trial o’.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>J. I daresay there would be a change, if that could be
-gotten, but, as ye say, I doubt it will not be gotten in a
-hurry, but I should like to see’t try’t, and see what effect
-it wad hae to Reform matters; but there is ae Reform
-that we a’ hae in our power, and I think every living man
-and woman should mak’ a trial o’t to see what effect it
-wad hae, there’s naebody I speak to but confesses that
-there is a world of evils in connection with it, and for
-that reason I think it is our duty to try it, and that is to
-abstain from all intoxicating drinks, and I cannot think
-that any man can be a sincere Chartist or Reformer, unless
-he be a Teetotaler, for the drinking o’ thae drinks
-completely counteracts his own schemes.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>T. Ah, noo John, are ye really gaun to tak a’ the
-hair o’ comfort us puir bodies hae left? if it wasna for the
-dribble o’ dram I get noo and than, I wad sink un’er my
-affliction athegither; ye canna deny I’m sure but it raises
-the spirits and mak’s us cheery mony a time, when nae
-ither thing will do’t.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>J. O yes, Thomas, I must confess it raises the spirits,
-and that to an awfu’ degree, sometimes to 80, but next
-morning you will find them sink to 40, being 20 below
-par, and then what state do ye fin’ yoursel’ in? do ye
-fin’ your purse ony benter? do ye fin’ your head ony healer?
-your character ony better, or your conscience ony
-sounder, after wallowing in that sinfu’ drink? I trow no,
-Thomas.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>T. Tuts man ye’re takin’ the very warst look o’ the
-thing ye can tak’; its weel enough kent there’s mony a
-ane tak’s a bit suck that disna drive themsel’s to thae extremities
-ye talk about, our Ministers, and Elders, and
-Magistrates, and Councillors too; indeed, the maist o’
-folk that reckon themsel’s upish can a’ tak’ their moderate
-dram and no rin to excess.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>J. Their moderate dram! dinna tell me about moderate
-drams, I ken baith Ministers, and Elders, and Magistrates
-too, that hae gaen far aglee wi’ their moderation,
-but independent o’ a’ that, is’t no a shamfu’ bad example
-they set before workin’ folk, (for poor folk maun aye be
-imitating the rich if they can ava) to drink thae drinks
-that destroy sae muckle o’ our grain in times like this,
-when poor folk’s starvin’; every half mutchin ye drink,
-Thomas, believe me or no as ye like, destroys as muckle
-gude food as wad mak’ a comfortable meal to a gude big
-family, and I’m creditably informed that there is as much
-destroyed in one distillery every morning as wad breakfast
-the hale town o’ Paisley.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>T. Hoot, nonsense, John ye’re surely gaun out o’t noo
-athegither, I never dream’t o’ ony thing like that, ye wad
-maist fricht a body frae ever tasting a drap again; if that
-was the case ye wad think the hale kintra wad rise up in
-a mass against it, our legislators wad stop distillation, and
-our magistrates wad grant nae mae licenses. Hoot toot
-John, ye’re surly far wrang.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>J. No, tweel awat Thomas, I’m nane wrang, for if
-there was nane o’ the drunkard’s drink drucken, every
-inhabitant in Scotland micht hae sax pound o’ bread every
-week they hinna, and that’s but ae portion o’ the evil that
-springs frae that curse; look to the misery and madness,
-the woes and wretchedness, that it produces; we’re tax’d
-to a pretty degree even noo to support prisons like bastiles,
-whereas if we wad a’ drap drinking, a three-storey house
-wad ha’d a’ the criminals in a kintra side.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>T. Altho’ there a wheen fools that mak’ themsel’s idiots
-wi’ drinkin’, we’re no a’ to be blamed wi’t; there’s mony
-a decent respectable minister and magistrate baith that tak’
-their dram, and disna fill themsel’s fou, and if folk wad
-only imitate their example there wad be nae great fear o’
-gaun wrang.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>J. Ah, Thomas, Thomas, but it is a bad example.
-Scripture aye approves o’ them that tak’ nae drink, and
-I could gie ye plenty o’ instances o’t if you and I had
-time; and to finish the whole story, it declares to you, in
-Habakuk, in plain terms no to be misunderstood, “Woe
-to him that giveth his neighbour drink.” The beginning
-to drink is something like beginning to smoke or snuff, it
-is fun at first, but truly it often grows earnest, as we mony
-a time see; and I think, for my part, it’s far better to let
-it alane athegither; and I think it is the duty of every
-patriot and every Christian to give no countenance to these
-vile things; and every man that drinks intoxicating liquor
-is only assisting to support 40,000 men who break every
-Lord’s day, by destroying the bounties of Providence, by
-converting them into a most destructive and pernicious
-drink. And I think that a man that would not gie up
-the use o’ a thing that is baith useless and unnecessary,
-for the sake o’ his suffering fellow creatures, is nae man
-ava.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>T. Ye really gang a great length wi’ your teetotalism,
-ye seem to think it will be a general salve for a’ the distresses
-and sufferings with which we are afflicted; but I
-doubt, John, tho’ we were a’ teetotlars the nicht, it wadna
-better our condition a bawbee, in the present awfu’ state
-o’ things; we’re gae an’ weel teetotal’d the noo, and that
-sair against our wills.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>J. Nae thanks to you for that kin’ o’ teetotalism, that’s
-no the genuine principle; besides, I am sure, if we were
-a’ pledged, and sterling to the cause, we wad soon see a
-different state o’ things, for I am quite convinced it wad
-be a general salve for a’ our distresses. In the first place,
-it would prevent 45 millions bushels of good grain from
-being destroyed every year, which would have a great
-tendency to cheapen our food, enabling us to manufacture
-our goods at a cheaper rate, and to cope with other nations,
-and completely put a check to the evil workings of
-the Corn Bill; and besides all this, the miseries and
-crimes, the misfortunes and calamities, the lunacy and
-suicide, the Sabbath desicration and a thousand other evils
-would almost entirely vanish from among us.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>T. Really John, ye seem to hae’t a’ by the back, and
-I must confess, there’s a good deal o’ truth in what ye
-say; but what wad become o’ our puir revenue if we
-were a’ to drap drinking, there wad be a bonny cry out
-then, for we hae facht enough to get the win’ rais’d as it
-is.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>J. Weel Thomas, to be plain wi’ you, I think the
-kintra is quite blin’ on that subject; I ken vera weel we
-hae great revenue aff drink, nae less than 16 millions, but
-folk never think o’ the frightsome expense that thae
-liquors bring on us, mair I believe, than a’ they produce.
-See the tremendous Jails, Hospitals, and Asylums we hae
-to support; see the Judges, the Sheriffs, the Fiscals, and
-the awful army o’ Policemen we hae to pay; see the
-Criminals we hae to feed; the host o’ Witnesses and
-Lawyers which must be paid for prosecutions and trials;
-and the enormous sums levied from us in the character
-of Rogue Money and Prison Money; see the thousands
-paid for support of our criminal Colonies, for Freight of
-Vessels to send them to these Colonies no less than 86000
-being paid last year for that purpose;—then say whether
-or not our country is benefitted by the revenue produced
-from these destructive drinks.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>T. I really must confess, John, you have almost made
-me a Total Abstainer, and I do now consider it my duty
-to give nae langer ony countenance to thae vile drinks;
-but I think we hae rather gaen aff the point a wee; we
-were talking about dull trade, and the causes o’t: ye
-surely dinna think that drinking has been the cause o’ sae
-mony bankruptcies amang us, to crack our credit, derange
-our business, and cause sic an unparalleled stagnation o’
-trade.</p>
-
-<p class='c007'>J. Deed Thomas, I dinna think we were the least aff
-the point about the cause o’ our dull trade, for I hinna
-the least doubt in my mind, but drinking is the cause o’
-a’ this wretchedness we’re labouring under; for, independent
-o’ the great sums o’ money squandered awa’ on guzzling,
-and drinking, and gambling, which sums micht hae
-keppit mony a Back Bill, I hae nae doubt but mony o’
-ane o’ thae Win’ Bills were drawn and accepted under the
-influence o’ the Bowl; and I am quite satisfied that if a’
-our trading men had been teetotalers for ten years back,
-there would neither have been dull trade nor bankruptcies
-amang us; and our present sufferings are only a just judgement
-for a’ our sinfu’ drinkings and horrid abominations
-that spring from that source; and so wide is the evil
-effects of the drinking system, that it has seized upon
-almost every fibre of commerce, and so long as Alcoholic
-drinks are encouraged and countenanced by the upper
-ranks of society, and by our Ministers and Magistrates,
-I never expect to see things much better, for all classes
-sink under its demoralizing influence. Our Cabinet
-Ministers, our Pulpit Ministers, our highest gifted Literary
-Men, down to our humblest Artisans, all have suffered,
-all have gone astray through strong drink. I wish
-you a good night, Thomas—I hope you’ll go to-morrow
-and sign the Pledge, and I trust we’ll soon see better
-times.</p>
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-<p class='c007'>T. Good night John.</p>
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-    <li>Transcriber’s Notes:
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-        <li>Missing or obscured punctuation was silently corrected.
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-        <li>Typographical errors were silently corrected.
-        </li>
-        <li>Inconsistent spelling and hyphenation were made consistent only when a predominant
-        form was found in this book.
-        </li>
-      </ul>
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