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You may copy it, give it away or -re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included -with this eBook or online at www.gutenberg.org - - -Title: Warren Commission (7 of 26): Hearings Vol. VII (of 15) - -Author: The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy - -Release Date: October 20, 2013 [EBook #44007] - -Language: English - -Character set encoding: ISO-8859-1 - -*** START OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK WARREN COMMISSION - HEARINGS V7 *** - - - - -Produced by Curtis Weyant, Charlene Taylor, Charlie Howard, -and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at -http://www.pgdp.net. Images generously provided by -www.history-matters.com. - - - - - - -</pre> - +<div>*** START OF THE PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK 44007 ***</div> <div class="transnote covernote"> <p>Cover created by Transcriber and placed in the Public Domain.</p> @@ -4483,7 +4444,7 @@ there for 1 year drilling irrigation wells.</p> Mr. <span class="smcap">Belin</span>. After that what did you do?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Walker</span>. I came back to Grand Prairie and went to work there and -worked there 5½ years.</p> +worked there 5½ years.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Belin</span>. Doing what?</p> @@ -4967,11 +4928,11 @@ gripping it with his hand, and I was bent over, and I was in an awkward position and I could see several hands on the gun.</p> <p>The gun finally got out of his belt, and it was about waist high and pointed -out at about a 45° angle.</p> +out at about a 45° angle.</p> <p>I turned around and I was holding Oswald trying to get his arm up behind him in a hammerlock, and I heard it click. I turned around and the gun was still -pointing at approximately a 45° angle. Be pointed slightly toward the screen, +pointing at approximately a 45° angle. Be pointed slightly toward the screen, what I call.</p> <p>Now Hawkins was in the general direction of the gun.</p> @@ -8622,7 +8583,7 @@ then I went through Winnetka. I'll say I graduated from City Park Grammar School and Forest Avenue High School. After I got out of school in the depression, I went to work at the Baker Hotel as a bellhop. I left there and went up to Oklahoma for approximately a year, came back and went to work at -Sears, Roebuck and worked there 2½ years, and then went to work for the public +Sears, Roebuck and worked there 2½ years, and then went to work for the public works department in construction, as a chainman in a survey crew until, let's see, that was in 1938. I worked their until the spring of 1940. I worked 2 months in the fire department, left, and went back to engineers. In October @@ -8967,7 +8928,7 @@ the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. And where do you live?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Smith</span>. 328½ East Davis.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Smith</span>. 328½ East Davis.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. What is your age?</p> @@ -15388,7 +15349,7 @@ these things—how far it was.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. Fine, do that.</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Studebaker</span>. It was 16½ inches from the—from this wall over here +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Studebaker</span>. It was 16½ inches from the—from this wall over here (indicating).</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. Which wall are you talking about?</p> @@ -15860,7 +15821,7 @@ looking right at him.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. Now, how big was this paper that you saw—you saw the wrapper—tell me about how big that paper bag was—how long was it?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Studebaker</span>. It was about, I would say, 3½ to 4 feet long.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Studebaker</span>. It was about, I would say, 3½ to 4 feet long.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. The paper bag?</p> @@ -17717,7 +17678,7 @@ stage.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Sims</span>. Yes, sir; in front of it is the detail room, where the officers get their assignments every day before they go out in the squads, and the platform -is a raised platform—I guess it's 2 or 2½ or 3 feet raised above the floor and it +is a raised platform—I guess it's 2 or 2½ or 3 feet raised above the floor and it has got a black—some type of a cloth screen with floodlights at the top and down at the bottom.</p> @@ -20257,7 +20218,7 @@ stuff pretty hastily at that time—that day.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. How long were you there that day—how long were you there?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Stovall</span>. I would say for approximately 2 to 2½ hours, if that long.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Stovall</span>. I would say for approximately 2 to 2½ hours, if that long.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. Now, when you first went in, did Ruth Paine say anything to you about expecting you, or something of that sort?</p> @@ -20493,7 +20454,7 @@ search on the 23d of November 1963?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. You stayed in the garage how long?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Stovall</span>. It seems like we were in that garage about 1½ or 2 hours. +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Stovall</span>. It seems like we were in that garage about 1½ or 2 hours. We might have been there longer than that. We made a thorough search of the garage.</p> @@ -25170,7 +25131,7 @@ Department?</p> <p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_240" id="Page_240">240</a></span> Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. How far through school?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ables</span>. Well, through 10½ grades.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ables</span>. Well, through 10½ grades.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. Then where did you go?</p> @@ -25612,7 +25573,7 @@ with the Commission. Will you please state your name?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. How long did you work there?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Lujan</span>. I worked there about 2½ years.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Lujan</span>. I worked there about 2½ years.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. Where did you go then?</p> @@ -26455,7 +26416,7 @@ nothing but the truth, so help you God?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Belin</span>. How far did you get through school?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Graves</span>. I finished 10½ years of schooling in Pittsburg and Leesburg, +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Graves</span>. I finished 10½ years of schooling in Pittsburg and Leesburg, then received a high school diploma after such time.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Belin</span>. Then what did you do?</p> @@ -30384,7 +30345,7 @@ whom I also recognized, was sitting on the right of the middle seat.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Belin</span>. Were you looking with the aid of any optical instrument?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Holmes</span>. I had a pair of 7½ x 50 binoculars. They were acknowledging +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Holmes</span>. I had a pair of 7½ x 50 binoculars. They were acknowledging the applause of the crowd and kind of waving, but not standing up. This is a short block.</p> @@ -30723,7 +30684,7 @@ slight use, test-fired and head spaced, ready for shooting. Turned-down bolt <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Holmes</span>. With scope, it is $19.95.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Belin</span>. There is a number. That $12.78 says "C20-1196." And underneath -that it says, "C20-750, carbine with brand new 4x¾" diameter (illustrated) +that it says, "C20-750, carbine with brand new 4x¾" diameter (illustrated) $19.95." Is that right?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Holmes</span>. That's correct.</p> @@ -30916,7 +30877,7 @@ at about 9:30 a.m.</p> of your joining this interrogation? How did you happen to be there?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Holmes</span>. I had been in and out of Captain Fritz' office on numerous occasions -during this 2½-day period.</p> +during this 2½-day period.</p> <p>On this morning I had no appointment. I actually started to church with my wife. I got to church and I said, "You get out, I am going down and see if I @@ -37596,7 +37557,7 @@ You might state where you were born and what educational background you have, for the record.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Scibor</span>. I was born in Chicago, November 27, 1920. I finished 4 years of -high school, 6½ years in the Marine Corps, and Klein's Sporting Goods.</p> +high school, 6½ years in the Marine Corps, and Klein's Sporting Goods.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Belin</span>. You're married?</p> @@ -38000,7 +37961,7 @@ barrel?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. To what?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Michaelis</span>. To a 2¼-inch barrel.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Michaelis</span>. To a 2¼-inch barrel.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. How did you happen to do that?</p> @@ -38008,11 +37969,11 @@ barrel?</p> him to make up the guns as far as barrel lengths are concerned to our specifications.</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. Why did you shorten them from 5 to 2¼ inches? Explain to me +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. Why did you shorten them from 5 to 2¼ inches? Explain to me for the record.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Michaelis</span>. Because we have quite frequently calls for the Smith & Wesson -revolvers with shorter barrels such as 2¼ inch or 4 inch.</p> +revolvers with shorter barrels such as 2¼ inch or 4 inch.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. Did you shorten all of the consignment that you received?</p> @@ -38022,7 +37983,7 @@ revolvers with shorter barrels such as 2¼ inch or 4 inch.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Michaelis</span>. Yes, sir.</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. Now, this particular gun was shortened, then, from 5 to 2¼?</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Ball</span>. Now, this particular gun was shortened, then, from 5 to 2¼?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Michaelis</span>. Correct.</p> @@ -42437,7 +42398,7 @@ No. 3 is made in the same manner as the capital letter "A" on Cadigan Exhibit No. 10. The letter is formed with a short straight stroke beginning about halfway up the left side. The top of it is peaked or pointed. The right side is straight, and is shorter than the initial stroke. The capital letter "D" in Dallas -is characterized by a staff or downstroke slanting at about a 30° angle. +is characterized by a staff or downstroke slanting at about a 30° angle. The lower loop in some instances is closed. In the word "Dallas" the loop is closed, and the body of the letter ends in a rounded loop formation. The same characteristic I found in Cadigan Exhibits Nos. 4, 5, and 6 as well as other @@ -45813,7 +45774,7 @@ to visit?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">O'Brien</span>. I don't recall specifically, except that the size of the city, the concentration of population, would make it an obvious stop in Texas, if you were -going to be in the State for 2 or 2½ days. It is rather an obvious decision, +going to be in the State for 2 or 2½ days. It is rather an obvious decision, that the Dallas area would be one of the stops.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Adams</span>. As far as you know, there was never any consideration given @@ -50716,7 +50677,7 @@ Mr. <span class="smcap">Liebeler</span>. By whom are you employed?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Liebeler</span>. How long have you been employed by the AP?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Altgens</span>. Approximately 26½ Years.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Altgens</span>. Approximately 26½ Years.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Liebeler</span>. So one might say you are an experienced photographer and have a little experience in the area of photographic work?</p> @@ -52148,7 +52109,7 @@ officer, patrolman?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Liebeler</span>. Have you been working in any specific type of assignment, or just what has been the nature of your work?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Smith</span>. Well, I was in radio patrol 3½ years. Then I went to traffic +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Smith</span>. Well, I was in radio patrol 3½ years. Then I went to traffic division point control, and that is what I am doing presently.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Liebeler</span>. I understand that you were assigned to work in the vicinity @@ -53135,7 +53096,7 @@ toward me, started back toward me.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Liebeler</span>. You were still back near the intersection of Elm and Houston?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Barnett</span>. Yes, sir; I was back where No. 8 is then. That was probably -2½ minutes after the last shot was fired. About that time, my sergeant came +2½ minutes after the last shot was fired. About that time, my sergeant came up from this way, from the north of Houston Street and asked me to get the name of that building. I broke and ran to the front and got the name of it. There were people going in and out at that time. I ran back and told him the @@ -53155,7 +53116,7 @@ the door there with one of the other officers, J. D. Smith.</p> fired until the time you were at the front door keeping people from going in and out?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Barnett</span>. It was around 2½ minutes. Maybe between 2½ or 3 minutes.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Barnett</span>. It was around 2½ minutes. Maybe between 2½ or 3 minutes.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Liebeler</span>. From the time the last shot was fired until the time you were standing at that front door?</p> @@ -53185,12 +53146,12 @@ were people going in and out then.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Barnett</span>. Yes, sir.</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Liebeler</span>. Do you think it was as quickly as 2½ minutes from the time +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Liebeler</span>. Do you think it was as quickly as 2½ minutes from the time the last shot was fired until the time you got to the front door? Do you think it was that quick?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Barnett</span>. I believe it was 2½ minutes probably from the time I ran from -the back to the front. That was probably 2½ minutes. Then it took me 20 or +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Barnett</span>. I believe it was 2½ minutes probably from the time I ran from +the back to the front. That was probably 2½ minutes. Then it took me 20 or 30 more seconds before I got to the front there.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Liebeler</span>. So your recollection is that it was fairly short order that you @@ -56416,7 +56377,7 @@ assignment notes for the purpose of refreshing my memory, and I see no reason why my superiors would object to any requests made by this Committee.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Griffin</span>. Let me now turn this over and I will state for the record that it -consists of five small white sheets of paper, roughly 2½ by 5 inches in size, and<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_579" id="Page_579">579</a></span> +consists of five small white sheets of paper, roughly 2½ by 5 inches in size, and<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_579" id="Page_579">579</a></span> there are a number of handwritten notations on it and I'm going to mark this on the back.</p> @@ -57801,383 +57762,6 @@ at Project Gutenberg.</p> <p>Page <a href="#Page_539">539</a>: "that we taken" probably is missing "had".</p> </div> - - - - - - - -<pre> - - - - - -End of the Project Gutenberg EBook of Warren Commission (7 of 26): Hearings -Vol. VII (of 15), by The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy - -*** END OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK WARREN COMMISSION - HEARINGS V7 *** - -***** This file should be named 44007-h.htm or 44007-h.zip ***** -This and all associated files of various formats will be found in: - http://www.gutenberg.org/4/4/0/0/44007/ - -Produced by Curtis Weyant, Charlene Taylor, Charlie Howard, -and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at -http://www.pgdp.net. 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