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You may copy it, give it away or -re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included -with this eBook or online at www.gutenberg.org - - -Title: Warren Commission (5 of 26): Hearings Vol. V (of 15) - -Author: The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy - -Release Date: October 20, 2013 [EBook #44005] - -Language: English - -Character set encoding: ISO-8859-1 - -*** START OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK WARREN COMMISSION - HEARINGS V5 *** - - - - -Produced by Curtis Weyant, Charlene Taylor, Charlie Howard, -and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at -http://www.pgdp.net. Images generously provided by -www.history-matters.com. - - - - - - -</pre> - +<div>*** START OF THE PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK 44005 ***</div> <div class="transnote covernote"> <p>Cover created by Transcriber and placed in the Public Domain.</p> @@ -1356,7 +1317,7 @@ particular area of the work concerned by the division at headquarters.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Dulles</span>. It doesn't include your <span class="locked">legal——</span></p> <p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_3" id="Page_3">3</a></span> -Mr. <span class="smcap">Belmont</span>. Legal attachés abroad?</p> +Mr. <span class="smcap">Belmont</span>. Legal attachés abroad?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Dulles</span>. Yes.</p> @@ -6527,7 +6488,7 @@ may the record show, has heretofore been marked as Commission Exhibit 393.</p> on the rear side of the coat?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. There was located on the rear of the coat 5-3/8 inches below the -top of the collar, a hole, further located as 1¾ inches to the right of the midline +top of the collar, a hole, further located as 1¾ inches to the right of the midline or the seam down the center of the coat; all of these being as you look at the back of the coat.</p> @@ -6626,7 +6587,7 @@ as Commission Exhibit 394?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. What, if anything, did you observe then on the back side of the shirt, Mr. Frazier?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. I found on the back of the shirt a hole, 5¾ inches below the top +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. I found on the back of the shirt a hole, 5¾ inches below the top of the collar, and as you look at the back of the shirt 1-1/8 inch to the right of the midline of the shirt, which is this hole I am indicating.</p> @@ -6665,7 +6626,7 @@ described in a position that indicates that the same instrument, whatever it was, or the same bullet, made the two?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. Yes; they are. They are both—the coat hole is 5-3/8 inches below -the top of the collar. The shirt hole is 5¾ inches, which could be accounted +the top of the collar. The shirt hole is 5¾ inches, which could be accounted for by a portion of the collar sticking up above the coat about a half inch.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Dulles</span>. I see.</p> @@ -6881,7 +6842,7 @@ of the coat?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. There was found on the coat by me when I first examined it, near the right sleeve 1-1/8 inches from the seam where the sleeve attaches to -the coat, and 7¼ inches to the right of the midline when you view the back +the coat, and 7¼ inches to the right of the midline when you view the back of the coat, a hole which is elongated in a horizontal direction to the length of approximately five-eights of an inch, and which had an approximate one-quarter inch height.</p> @@ -6939,7 +6900,7 @@ state what, if any, damage you observed on the body of the garment?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. When considered from the wearer's standpoint, on the right chest area of the coat there is a hole through the lining and the outer layer of the -coat which is located 6½ inches from the right side seam line and also 6½ inches +coat which is located 6½ inches from the right side seam line and also 6½ inches from the armpit which places this hole approximately 5 inches to the right of the front right edge of the coat.</p> @@ -6990,7 +6951,7 @@ on the rear side by way of an imperfection, hole or defect?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. I found a hole which is very ragged. An L-shaped tear actually is what it amounted to in the back of the shirt near the right sleeve, 2 inches -from the seam line where the sleeve attaches to the shirt, and 7½ inches to the +from the seam line where the sleeve attaches to the shirt, and 7½ inches to the right of the midline of the shirt, the right side being as you look at the back of the shirt.</p> @@ -7020,7 +6981,7 @@ body of the shirt?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>, I found in the right chest area of the shirt, considering the shirt when it is being worn, a very irregular tear more or less in the form of an "H," -of the letter "H." This tear was approximately 1½ inches in height, with +of the letter "H." This tear was approximately 1½ inches in height, with the crossbar tear being approximately 1 inch in width, which caused a very irregularly shaped and enlarged hole in the front of the shirt. The hole is located 5 inches from the right-side seam, and 9 inches below the top of the right sleeve. @@ -7076,8 +7037,8 @@ right sleeve of the Governor's shirt?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. I found in the cuff of the shirt which is a French cuff, through both the outer and inner layers of the cuff, a hole which is ragged in contour, irregularly shaped, and which had more or less star-shaped tears extending outward -from the hole into the material, located 1½ inches up from the end of the -sleeve, and 5½ inches from the outside cuff link hole, through both, as I said, +from the hole into the material, located 1½ inches up from the end of the +sleeve, and 5½ inches from the outside cuff link hole, through both, as I said, through both layers of the cuff, and the hole was in such a condition, possibly due to the washing of the material, that I could not determine what actually caused it or if it had been caused by a bullet, the direction of the path of the bullet @@ -7373,7 +7334,7 @@ Presidential limousine?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. On the inside surface of the windshield there was a deposit of lead. This deposit was located when you look at the inside surface of the -windshield, 13½ inches down from the top, 23 inches from the left-hand side +windshield, 13½ inches down from the top, 23 inches from the left-hand side or driver's side of the windshield, and was immediately in front of a small pattern of star-shaped cracks which appeared in the outer layer of the laminated windshield.</p> @@ -8105,12 +8066,12 @@ the President's body?</p> <p>Dr. <span class="smcap">Olivier</span>. We determined the distance on various people by locating this anatomical region and using people of various sizes we found that regardless of -general body build, the distance penetrated was around 13½ to 14½ cm.</p> +general body build, the distance penetrated was around 13½ to 14½ cm.</p> -<p>As a consequence, I used gelatin blocks 20 percent gelatin cut at 13½ cm.<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_77" id="Page_77">77</a></span> +<p>As a consequence, I used gelatin blocks 20 percent gelatin cut at 13½ cm.<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_77" id="Page_77">77</a></span> lengths and also used horsemeat and goatmeat placed in a box so that—this -was a little harder to get the exact length but that varied between 13½ and -14½ cm. of muscle tissue.</p> +was a little harder to get the exact length but that varied between 13½ and +14½ cm. of muscle tissue.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Did that simulate, then, the portion of the President's body through which the bullet is reported to have passed, as closely as you could for @@ -8123,7 +8084,7 @@ No. 847 and ask you to testify as to what that depicts?</p> <p>Dr. <span class="smcap">Olivier</span>. This is a box containing—I couldn't say looking at it whether it is the horsemeat or the goatmeat but one of the two. The distance traveled -through that meat would be 13½ to 14½ centimeters. It is also covered with +through that meat would be 13½ to 14½ centimeters. It is also covered with clothing and clipped goatskin on the entrance and exit sides, and behind that are the screens for measuring the exit velocity. We had already determined the striking velocity by firing I believe it was—I have it right here if you @@ -8251,7 +8212,7 @@ neck had lost very little of its wounding potential and was capable of doing a great deal of damage in penetrating. I might mention one thing showing how great its penetrating ability was. That say on one of the gelatin shots, it went through a total, counting the gelatin block, it went through plus the -backing up blocks of gelatin, it went through a total of 72½ centimeters of +backing up blocks of gelatin, it went through a total of 72½ centimeters of gelatin, was still traveling and buried itself in a mound of earth so it has terrific penetrating ability. This means that had the bullet that passed through the President's neck hit in the car or anywhere you would have seen evidence, @@ -8844,7 +8805,7 @@ Governor's back.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Permit me to add one additional factor which Dr. Shaw testified to during the course of the proceeding after he measured the angle of decline -through the Governor; and Dr. Shaw testified that there was a 25° to 27° angle +through the Governor; and Dr. Shaw testified that there was a 25° to 27° angle of declination measuring from front to back on the Governor, taking into account the position of the wound on the Governor's back and the position of the wound on the Governor's chest below the right nipple.</p> @@ -11761,7 +11722,7 @@ examination.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Rankin</span>. Have you been Director for some time?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">McCone</span>. Yes; a little over 2½ years.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">McCone</span>. Yes; a little over 2½ years.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Rankin</span>. Where do you live, Mr. McCone?</p> @@ -12740,7 +12701,7 @@ seat to the door on the right side?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. And what is the relative position of the jump seat to the rear seat on the Presidential automobile?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Kelley</span>. There is 8½ inches between the back of the jump seat and the +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Kelley</span>. There is 8½ inches between the back of the jump seat and the front of the back seat of the President's car, the rear seat.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. And what is the relative height of the jump seat and the rear @@ -12748,7 +12709,7 @@ seat?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Kelley</span>. The jump seat is 3 inches lower than the back seat in its bottom position. That is, the back seat of the President's car had a mechanism which -would raise it 10½ inches. But at the time of the assassination, the seat was +would raise it 10½ inches. But at the time of the assassination, the seat was in its lowest position.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. And what is the differential between the jump seats and the @@ -12785,7 +12746,7 @@ custody of this man all the time, it had not been touched.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. What was the height of President Kennedy?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Kelley</span>. He was 72½ inches.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Kelley</span>. He was 72½ inches.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. And were you present when a man was placed in the same position in the Secret Service followup car as that in which President Kennedy @@ -12800,7 +12761,7 @@ this year?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. And what was the height of Mr. Anderton?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Kelley</span>. He was 72½ inches.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Kelley</span>. He was 72½ inches.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Do you know the height of Governor Connally?</p> @@ -12823,7 +12784,7 @@ Kennedy and Governor Connally on November 22, 1963?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Kelley</span>. The officials at Hess Eisenhardt, who have the original plans of the President's car, conducted a test to ascertain how high from the ground -a person 72½ inches would be seated in this car before its modification. And<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_133" id="Page_133">133</a></span> +a person 72½ inches would be seated in this car before its modification. And<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_133" id="Page_133">133</a></span> it was ascertained that the person would be 52.78 inches from the ground—that is, taking into consideration the flexion of the tires, the flexion of the cushions that were on the car at the time.</p> @@ -13972,12 +13933,12 @@ to the chalk mark on the coat.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. The President's stand-in?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. Right. The angle to the rifle in the window was 40°10´.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. Right. The angle to the rifle in the window was 40°10´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. And what is the other data?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. The distance to the overpass was 447 feet, and the angle -to the overpass was minus O°27´; that is, 27´ below the horizontal.</p> +to the overpass was minus O°27´; that is, 27´ below the horizontal.</p> <p>Senator <span class="smcap">Cooper</span>. May I ask a question there? How did you establish the location of the rifle in making those calculations?</p> @@ -14300,8 +14261,8 @@ Exhibit No. 888, the distance from the wound mark on a stand-in for President Kennedy to station C was 94.7 feet.</p> <p>The distance to the rifle in the window was 137.4 feet, the angle to the window -was 26°58' based on the horizontal line, the distance to the overpass was 392.4 -feet, and the angle to the overpass was minus 0°7´.</p> +was 26°58' based on the horizontal line, the distance to the overpass was 392.4 +feet, and the angle to the overpass was minus 0°7´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Are all angles calculated thereon based on the horizontal?</p> @@ -14310,13 +14271,13 @@ feet, and the angle to the overpass was minus 0°7´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Was there any street angle taken into consideration in the calculations here?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. Yes; there is a 3° street grade that has to be deducted from +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. Yes; there is a 3° street grade that has to be deducted from the angle to the window to determine the actual angle from the street to the window as opposed to the horizon.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Will you <span class="locked">now——</span></p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Dulles</span>. Frame 161 is 3° on 161?</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Dulles</span>. Frame 161 is 3° on 161?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. Three degrees all along Elm Street.</p> @@ -14332,9 +14293,9 @@ Exhibit No. 889, please?</p> <p>From the chalk mark on the back of the stand-in for President Kennedy, to station C is 95.6 feet, the distance to rifle in window, 138.2 feet, the angle to -rifle in window based on the horizontal, is minus 26°52´.</p> +rifle in window based on the horizontal, is minus 26°52´.</p> -<p>Distance to overpass is 391.5 feet. The angle to the overpass is 0°7´.</p> +<p>Distance to overpass is 391.5 feet. The angle to the overpass is 0°7´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Did the back of President Kennedy ever come into view at any time while he was passing through the foliage of the oak tree?</p> @@ -14372,8 +14333,8 @@ as close as you could make it to the "photograph from Zapruder's film"?</p> for the President at position 185 to station C is 114.8 feet, the distance to rifle on window is 154.9 feet.</p> -<p>The angle to rifle in window based on horizontal is 24°14´, distance to overpass -is 372.5 feet. The angle to the overpass is 0°3´ above horizontal.</p> +<p>The angle to rifle in window based on horizontal is 24°14´, distance to overpass +is 372.5 feet. The angle to the overpass is 0°3´ above horizontal.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Was there any adjustment made for the difference in the height of the automobiles on the location where the back of the President's stand-in @@ -14412,8 +14373,8 @@ or as close to the same position as you could make it as is the replica car in t stand-in for the President was 116.3 feet from the station C. It was 156.3 feet to the rifle in the window.</p> -<p>The angle to the rifle in the window was 24°3' based on the horizontal. Distance -to the overpass was 371.7 feet. The angle to the overpass is 0°3´.</p> +<p>The angle to the rifle in the window was 24°3' based on the horizontal. Distance +to the overpass was 371.7 feet. The angle to the overpass is 0°3´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Was that position ascertained where the chalk spot on the back of President Kennedy's coat was first visible from the sixth floor window through @@ -14459,8 +14420,8 @@ on the "photograph from reenactment" and "photograph from Zapruder film"?</p> stand-in for the President to the station C is 136.6 feet.</p> <p>Distance to rifle in the window is 174.9 feet. The angle to the rifle in the -window based on the horizontal is 21°50'. The distance to the overpass is -350.9 feet, and the angle to the overpass is 0°12'.</p> +window based on the horizontal is 21°50'. The distance to the overpass is +350.9 feet, and the angle to the overpass is 0°12'.</p> <p>This is on frame 207, Commission Exhibit No. 892.</p> @@ -14618,7 +14579,7 @@ as those covered on prior exhibits?</p> back on frame 210, please?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. On frame 210, the angle from the rifle to the window, based -on the horizon is 21°34´.</p> +on the horizon is 21°34´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. That is from the rifle to what, Mr. Shaneyfelt.</p> @@ -14628,7 +14589,7 @@ for the President.</p> <p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_153" id="Page_153">153</a></span> Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. What is the same angle at frame 225?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. It is 20°11´.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. It is 20°11´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Those angles are computed to the horizontal?</p> @@ -15291,17 +15252,17 @@ telescope of the rifle of the car positioned in frame 313.</p> from the wound mark on the President's stand-in to station C is 230.8 feet.</p> <p>Distance to the rifle in the window is 265.3 feet. The angle to rifle in window -is 15°21´ and this is based on the horizontal.</p> +is 15°21´ and this is based on the horizontal.</p> -<p>Distance to the overpass is 260.6 feet, the angle to the overpass is 1°28´.</p> +<p>Distance to the overpass is 260.6 feet, the angle to the overpass is 1°28´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. What would the angle be considering the adjustment on the angle of the street?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. It would be less 3° or 12°21´, approximately.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. It would be less 3° or 12°21´, approximately.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. When you say approximately is that because the adjustment -is somewhat greater than 3°?</p> +is somewhat greater than 3°?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. Yes.</p> @@ -15316,7 +15277,7 @@ is somewhat greater than 3°?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Dulles</span>. Would you have to make a similar adjustment to the overpass?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. Yes; because the angle to the overpass is based on the -horizontal. The overpass, you would have to add the 3°9´.</p> +horizontal. The overpass, you would have to add the 3°9´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Dulles</span>. From the overpass, is this an angle up or angle down?</p> @@ -15326,8 +15287,8 @@ horizontal. The overpass, you would have to add the 3°9´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. That is correct.</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. When you say that you are reducing the angle of 15°21´ by 3°9´ -to an angle of 12°12´, is that as the shot passes through the body of the +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. When you say that you are reducing the angle of 15°21´ by 3°9´ +to an angle of 12°12´, is that as the shot passes through the body of the President?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. That is correct. It is at that point.</p> @@ -15515,17 +15476,17 @@ which was marked with a white chalk mark and the muzzle of the rifle when the car was positioned at frame 210?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. The angle, based on the horizontal at frame 210, to the -rifle in the window was 21°34´.</p> +rifle in the window was 21°34´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. What was the comparable angle at frame 225?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. 20°11´.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. 20°11´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. So what would be the average angle then between those two points?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. The average angle, allowing for the 3°9´ street grade results -in an average angle between frame 210 and frame 225 of 17°43´30´´.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. The average angle, allowing for the 3°9´ street grade results +in an average angle between frame 210 and frame 225 of 17°43´30´´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. And that is the average angle from the muzzle to President Kennedy as he sat in the car or President Kennedy's stand-in as he sat in the @@ -15533,7 +15494,7 @@ car?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. That is correct. To the wound entrance.</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Is the average angle of 17°43´30´´ measured from the muzzle +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Is the average angle of 17°43´30´´ measured from the muzzle to the President's body as the President would be seated in the car?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. That is out on the street in those frame positions, yes. It @@ -15557,7 +15518,7 @@ that photograph?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. What is the angle of declination of that string?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. That string was placed along the wall by the surveyor at -an angle of 17°43´30´´.</p> +an angle of 17°43´30´´.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Did the surveyor make that placement in your presence?</p> @@ -15691,14 +15652,14 @@ to window, referring to the sixth floor window, and angle to rifle in window?</p <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Now; is there any point on the overpass where the angle to the President's car or the angle to the President's stand-in seated in the simulated car, would permit a shot to be fired and to create the wound in the President's -neck, which has an angle of decline of approximately 17°, based on the information +neck, which has an angle of decline of approximately 17°, based on the information furnished to you by the medical evidence, which we have asked you to assume, where that wound could be inflicted on the President's neck without regard to the point of entry?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Shaneyfelt</span>. No; none of the angles from the overpass are anywhere near -17°. They range from frame 161 at a minus 7´, from horizontal, to frame -313 which is 1°28´. None of them are even close to 17°.</p> +17°. They range from frame 161 at a minus 7´, from horizontal, to frame +313 which is 1°28´. None of them are even close to 17°.</p> <p>Senator <span class="smcap">Cooper</span>. From the exhibit that has been introduced, showing the position of the car and the President at the time of the first shot—what was @@ -16185,7 +16146,7 @@ frame.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. Why not, Mr. Frazier?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. The angle through his body, as I measured it on the coat is approximately -20° from the right toward the left. On May 24 in our reconstruction +20° from the right toward the left. On May 24 in our reconstruction I found that the Governor had turned farther to the front from a position slightly facing the right than he was in at frame 225. He had turned back to the front so that a shot which struck him in this shoulder in the <span class="locked">back——</span></p> @@ -16248,8 +16209,8 @@ flight of the bullet.</p> <p>The fact that the same lead would be necessary at each place is because at the closer frame numbers, the lower frame numbers, 161, 166, 185, and so forth, -there is a relatively steep downward angle beginning at 40°, whereas the -last shot, the downward angle is approximately 17° or 20°, in that neighborhood.</p> +there is a relatively steep downward angle beginning at 40°, whereas the +last shot, the downward angle is approximately 17° or 20°, in that neighborhood.</p> <p>Just one thing more, it would require less apparent elevation of the crosshair over the point of impact at the distant target to allow for a further movement @@ -16305,11 +16266,11 @@ and at a point when he is not too far turned around.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">McCloy</span>. Somewhere when he is turning to the right.</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. He was placed approximately 20° to the right.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. He was placed approximately 20° to the right.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">McCloy</span>. To the right.</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. That is 20° according to my examination of his clothing but +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. That is 20° according to my examination of his clothing but I don't know the exact figures of the angle through his body.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Specter</span>. I have one additional question.</p> @@ -16420,7 +16381,7 @@ for it to have gone through the President, and through the Governor.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Frazier</span>. That is right. Otherwise, you have nothing to base a conclusion upon. If you have deviation anywhere along the line then you both affect the position at which the Governor could have been shot—for instance—if the -bullet entered the Governor's back and immediately took a 20° leftward angle, +bullet entered the Governor's back and immediately took a 20° leftward angle, then the Governor could have been shot when he was facing straightforward in the automobile.</p> @@ -24723,7 +24684,7 @@ identification.)</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Snyder</span>. I don't recall that I saw this telegram at the time. But I would say from the content of it, and the form, that it is clearly a telegram sent by -the naval attaché of the Embassy to his home office.</p> +the naval attaché of the Embassy to his home office.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Coleman</span>. We also have had marked as Commission Exhibit No. 918 the telegram which the Navy sent in reply to Commission Exhibit No. 917.</p> @@ -39284,7 +39245,7 @@ operate on the sale of materials.</p> <p>The <span class="smcap">Chairman</span>. A hundred dollars?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Surrey</span>. Over 2 years or 2½ years.</p> +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Surrey</span>. Over 2 years or 2½ years.</p> <p>The <span class="smcap">Chairman</span>. Where did you get the money to publish your book?</p> @@ -40624,7 +40585,7 @@ you are seated on?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Surrey</span>. Yes, and he is approximately a little taller than I am.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Jenner</span>. He is a little taller than you are. So that would be about 4, -4½ feet.</p> +4½ feet.</p> <p>Tell the Commission the distance from the wall, the point at which you have marked an "X" with a circle, and the place at which General Walker's chair @@ -47137,7 +47098,7 @@ in Dallas?</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Jenner</span>. You were never in it; you don't know where it is. Did you hear of it when you were there?</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Weissman</span>. Never. As a matter of fact, in the entire 3½ weeks or so that +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Weissman</span>. Never. As a matter of fact, in the entire 3½ weeks or so that Bill and I were in Dallas, we didn't go to the movies at all. The only two clubs that I can recall that we went into was the Lavender <span class="locked">Lounge——</span></p> @@ -49582,7 +49543,7 @@ stuck them in a box. And I contacted Mr. Surrey the next day.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Jenner</span>. And now, give us your recollection as to when you made contact with Mr. Surrey—with particular reference to November 22, 1963.</p> -<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Klause</span>. I would say, sir; it was approximately 2 or 2½ weeks before +<p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Klause</span>. I would say, sir; it was approximately 2 or 2½ weeks before Mr. Kennedy was in Dallas.</p> <p>Mr. <span class="smcap">Jenner</span>. That would be the early part of November 1963?</p> @@ -52180,7 +52141,7 @@ out of the Soviet Union.</p> <p>Ambassador <span class="smcap">Thompson</span>. That is correct.</p> -<p>Senator <span class="smcap">Cooper</span>. Was Edward L. Freers, Chargé d'Affaire?</p> +<p>Senator <span class="smcap">Cooper</span>. Was Edward L. Freers, Chargé d'Affaire?</p> <p>Ambassador <span class="smcap">Thompson</span>. Yes, sir.</p> @@ -55598,9 +55559,9 @@ expelled the following week after I visited the American Embassy in Moscow.</p> <p>Senator <span class="smcap">Russell</span>. Did you pay any dues to the Komsomol?</p> -<p>Mrs. <span class="smcap">Oswald</span>. Yes; 30¢</p> +<p>Mrs. <span class="smcap">Oswald</span>. Yes; 30¢</p> -<p>*Yes; 30¢ every month.</p> +<p>*Yes; 30¢ every month.</p> <p>Senator <span class="smcap">Russell</span>. I thought that practically all young people belonged to the Komsomol?* **</p> @@ -56849,383 +56810,6 @@ corrected here.</p> is missing a closing quotation mark or has a spurious opening one.</p> </div> - - - - - - - -<pre> - - - - - -End of the Project Gutenberg EBook of Warren Commission (5 of 26): Hearings -Vol. V (of 15), by The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy - -*** END OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK WARREN COMMISSION - HEARINGS V5 *** - -***** This file should be named 44005-h.htm or 44005-h.zip ***** -This and all associated files of various formats will be found in: - http://www.gutenberg.org/4/4/0/0/44005/ - -Produced by Curtis Weyant, Charlene Taylor, Charlie Howard, -and the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at -http://www.pgdp.net. 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