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You may copy it, give it away or +re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included +with this eBook or online at www.gutenberg.org + + +Title: A Very Pleasaunt & Fruitful Diologe Called the Epicure + +Author: Desiderius Erasmus + +Release Date: July 8, 2005 [EBook #16246] + +Language: English + +Character set encoding: ISO-8859-1 + +*** START OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK A VERY PLEASAUNT & FRUITFUL *** + + + + +Produced by David Starner, Louise Hope and the Online +Distributed Proofreading Team at https://www.pgdp.net. + + + + + + +</pre> + + +<p>[Transcriber's note:</p> + +<p>The printed text marks the first few leaves of each 16-page +signature: A.i., A.ii... Other page breaks are marked in this +e-text with a single line | .</p> + +<p>In the original text, the dialogue was printed as one continuous +block. This e-text has placed each speaker on a new line.</p> + +<p>A few apparent typographic errors were corrected and are marked +<ins class = "correction" title = "explanation will pop up">like +this</ins>. Some additional problems are marked in the same way +but were left unchanged. All other spelling, capitalization and +punctuation are as in the original.]</p> +<br> +<hr> + +<p align = "center"><span class = "headline1"> +<span class = "roman"><i>A</i> VE-</span><br> +ry pleasaunt &<br> +fruitful Dio-<br> +loge called the<br> +<span class = "speaker">Epicure</span>,</span><br> +<span class = "headline2">made by that fa-<br> +mous clerke Eras<br> +mus of Rotero-<br> +dame, newly<br> +translated.<br> +<br> +1545.</span></p> + + + +<hr> +<br> +<p align = "center"><span class = "italics">S. Paule to the Ephesians<br> +<br> +You that haue professed Christ,<br> +suffre not your selues to be deceyued<br> +vvith false doctrine, nor vaine<br> +and noughtie talkyng, but herken<br> +vnto all Godly thynges, and<br> +especially too the doctryne<br> +of the Gospell.</span></p> +<br> +<hr> +<span class = "pagenum">A.ii.</span> +<br> +<p align = "center"><span class = "italics">THE HABOVN-<br> +daunt mercie and grace of our</span><br> +<span class = "headline2">heauenly father Iesu Christ,<br> +maye alwaies strengthen<br> +and defende oure noble</span><br> +& vertuous Prynce Ed-<br> +ward too the mainte-<br> +naunce of the liue-<br> +ly woord of<br> +God.</p> +<br> +<br> +<p><img src = "images/w03.png" border = "0" align = "left" +hspace = "5" width = "216" height = "235" alt = "W"> +<span class = "italics">HERE</span> as manye histories of olde +& auncient antiquitie, and +also al godly & Christiã writers most playnely consêt +together, and agree in this, that dignitie, riches, kinred, +worldly pompe, and renoume, doo neither make men better, ne +yet happiar, contrarie too the blynde & fonde iudgement of +the most part of menne: but by the power and strength of the +mynde, that is, learnyng, wysedome, +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>and vertue, all +menne are hyghly enriched, ornated, & most purely beutified, +for these bee thinges bothe notable, eternall, and verye +familiar betwene the heauenly father & vs. It is therefore +euidente (most excellent Prince) that the fittest ornamêtes +for your graces tender age, bee, eruditiõ and vertue. +Wherunto you are bothe so ernestly addicte and therin so +wõderfully doo preuaile, that I nede not too exhorte & +exstimulate your grace vnto the study thereof. For that God +him self hath wrought, and fourmed your mynde so apt and +desirous too attayne and diligêtly too seeke for al godly +doctrine, that euê now you doo shewe in all youre saiynges +and dooinges suche a wonderfull pleasaûtes much lyke vnto a +certayne swete musike or harmonie, that any honest hart +exceadinglye woulde reioyce in the sight therof. Verely, +your grace thinketh plainly all time lost, that is not +bestowed vpon learnyng, which is a verie rare thyng in anye +childe, and rarest of all in a Prince. Thus youre noblenes, +rather desireth vertue and +<span class = "pagenum">A.iii.</span>learning the most +surest and excellent treasures, which farre surmounte all +worldly ryches, then anye vanities or trifles. Nowe youre +grace prepareth for the holsome and pleasaunt foode of the +mynde. Now you seke for that whiche you shal fynd most +surest helper and faythfulst councellour in all your +affaires. Now your magnificêt mynde studieth that, whiche +all Englyshe menne with meke and humile heartes shuld desire +GOD to endue your grace with all. Now with diligent labour +you searche for a thyng, as one most myndeful of this +saiyng: Happy is that realme that hath a lerned Prince. Nowe +you trauaile for that, whiche conquereth, and kepeth doune +all greuous tourmentes & outragious affections of the mynde, +too the furderaunce of good liuyng, and maintenaûce of +vertue, I meane holsome erudition and learnyng. Many Heathen +Princes forsoth, are highly magnified with most ample +prayses, which gaue them selues too the study of +Philosophie, or knowledge of tongues, for their owne +commoditie, and +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>especially +for the weale of their +subiectes. Who is nowe more celebrated and worthelier +extolled then Mithridates? that noble kyng of Pont and +Bithinia, which, (as Aulus Gellius writeth) vnderstoode so +perfitly the languages of .xxii. sondrye countries that were +vnder his dominiõ, that he neuer vsed any interpretour too +answer his subiectes, but spake their lãguages so finelye, +as thoughe he had been of the same coûtrie. Ageyn, that +honorable manne Quintus Ennius saied: that he had .iii. +heartes, because he coulde speake Greke, Italian, and Latin. +Yea, and breuely, the most famaus writers, as well the +Heathen, as the Christien, with an vniuersall consent, +playnly affirme: Whan thei had weied the nature and condiciõ +of the purest thinges vnder heauen, thei sawe nothyng faire, +or of any pryce, or that ought too be accõpted ours, but +onely vertue and learning. Euen now too acknowledge that +same, it is yeouê you from aboue, for your grace delecteth +in nothyng more then too bee occupied in the holye Byble: +wherin, <span class = "pagenum">A.iiii.</span>you beginne +too sauer & smelle furth the +treasure of wisedome, knowledge and fulnes of the deuyne +power, that is a studie most conuenient for euery Christien +Prince, that kynd of studye cannot haue sufficient laude and +commendation. Whose Princely heart forsoth, is raueshed on +suche a godlie and vertuous studie, it can neuer haue +condigne and worthie praises, but deserueth alwaies too bee +had in great price, estimation, and honour. Who dooeth not +know? that Prince which is yeouen vnto the scriptures of God +and with a stoute stomake and valiãt heart, both searcheth +furth and also defendeth y<sup>e</sup> true doctrine of the Gospell, +too bee inrolled in the assemble of Christ. Who dooeth not +see? that Prince too bee moost surelye armed, which carieth +in his heart the swerd of y<sup>e</sup> spirit, which is the blessed +woord of God. Who is ignoraunt? that euer lastyng lyfe +consisteth in the knoweledge of God. What Prince woulde not +studie to maintaine that, which is written for the health, +and saluation of all menne weiyuge with himselfe +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>that a +Prince can not deserue, neither by conquest, ciuel policie, +nor yet by anye other meane vnder heauen, thys name high or +honorable, so wourthely as by the setting forward of Goddes +woorde. What young Prince humily defendyng doune intoo him +selfe and callyng to memory his bounden dutie woulde not +with a glad hearte and a chearfull mynde, gredelye desyre +too knowe, enlarge, and amplifie the glory and maiestie of +hys derely beloued father? Your grace (forsoth) hath +professed God too bee your father: Blessed are you then if +you obey vnto hys word, and walke in his waies. Blessed are +you, yf you supporte suche as preache the Gospell. Blessed +are you, yf your mind bee full furnished with the testament +of Christ, and shew your selfe too bee the most cruel too +and enemy agaynst ypocrisie, supersticion, and all +papistical phantasies, wherw<sup>t</sup> the true religion of God +hathe been dusked and defaced these many yeres Blessed are +you, if you reade it daye & nighte, that your grace maye +knowe what GOD dooeth forbyd you, and +<span class = "pagenum">A.v.</span>euer submit +your selfe therunto with seruiceable lowlines chiefly +desiring to florysh and decke your mynd with godly +knowledge. And most blessed are you, if you apply your self +vnto al good workes, & plant surely in your heart the +scriptures of Christ, If you thus doo, nether the power of +any papistical realme, nor yet of hel can preuaile at any +time against your grace. Nowe therfore, with humile hearte, +faithfully receiue the swete promises of the Gospel. If you +kepe the woordes of the Lorde and cleaue fast vnto them: +there is promised you the kingdome of heauen: You are +promised a weale publick most riche and welthy You are +promised too bee deliuered from the deceiptes of all youre +priuie enemyes. You are promised also, too conquere great +and mightie nations. Agayne, let your grace bee most fully +perswaded in this, that ther was neuer Kyng nor Prince, that +prospered whiche tooke parte against Goddes woord, and that +the greatest abhomination that can bee, either for Kyng, +Prince, or any other manne, is too +for<span class = "pagenum">|</span>sake the true +woord of God. O with howe rebukefull woordes &amp; greuous +iudgement thei be condemned, which dispice & set lytle by +the holy Byble & most +<ins class = "correction" title = "text reads 'bessed'">blessed</ins> +Testamêt of God, wherin there +is contained all the wil & pleasure of our heauêly father +toward vs most miserable & ignoraunt wretches Who would not +quake, too beholde the terrible feares & threatenynges of +God ageinst al suche? Who would not lament & gladly helppe +their obstinate blyndenes? Who woulde not weepe? to heare +and reade in how many places, they be openly accursed by the +scriptures of Christ. God him self playnely affirmeth, that +he wyll sodênly consume them with the breath of his anger. +Yea, besides that whoso euer declyneth from the word of God +is accursed in all his doynges, whether he be Kyng, or +Prynce, riche, or poore, or of what estate soeuer he bee. +This fearfull saiyng (most excellent Prynce) shulde moue all +men to take hede vnto their duties and to praie that gods +word maie take place emõgist vs. O that al men would +fanta<span class = "pagenum">|</span>sie the scriptures of God, +and saye w<sup>t</sup> the vertuous man +Iob. Wee will not bee ageynst the woordes of the holy one. +Truth it is, God taketh diligent care too haue vs al know +his woord. Woulde God therfore, that all wee were now +willing to haue the syncere woorde of God & all holsom +doctrine too go forward. O that all we would consent +togither in the Gospell, brotherly admonishyng, and +secretelye prouokyng one an other too true religion & +vertue. O that no man would sow emongist the people +pernitious doctryne, but with all lowly diligêce and Godlye +monition euer prouoke, tempt, and stere them, tyll their +heartes were remoued frõ their olde dautyng dreames and +supersticiõ, which haue been long grafted in them thorow +popyshe doctrine. By this meane wee shuld euer haue concorde +emongist vs, whiche in all thynges is necessary, but most +nedefull and expedient in Gods holi woord. Now truely the +godlyest thynge that can bee deuysed, for any christian +realme, is to haue emongist them one maner and +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>fourme +of doctryne, & too trace trueli the steppes of God and neuer +to seeke any other bywayes. Who hath not redde in y<sup>e</sup> +scriptures? but that realme is endued with godly ornamentes +& riches, where all men prospere, go for ward and florishe +in gods woord, delectyng day and night in the swete +cõsolations of the holy testament. By this way we shuld +especially set forth the glory of God, and of our sauiour +Iesu Christ, if we would reuerently shew one an other that +whiche God hath taught vs. Yea & in this doyng all men +shulde well perceaue that we were the true disciples of +Christ, being knitte and coupled fast together in mynde and +iudgement, preachyng God with one mouth and also with one +assent euer promotyng his gloryous testament. O the good +happe and grace of that king or prynce emongist whose +subiectes there is such an hole consent and iudgement in the +woord of God, for y<sup>t</sup> most assuredly byndeth & adiuigneth +y<sup>e</sup> hartes of al subiectes too their kyng. The strength of +the Gospell is euen suche in this puincte, +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>that there +was neuer man, which did humily receaue it, that would +murmour ageynst his Prince. It teacheth how wyllyngly all +men shulde obey their kyng. It sheweth verye lyuely and most +apertly vnto euery man his ful dutie. It euer prouoketh vs +from all wicked, cursed, and most obstinate disobedience. It +euer instructeth men too shewe them selues most lowly, +humile, and obesaunt toward their Prynce. Whosoeuer hath +tasted fully therof, will declare hym selfe in al thynges, +too bee a faithful subiect. Furthermore, it is clearer then +the light (most vertuous prince) that it woulde make muche +for the weale of this noble realme, yf all mê with heart and +mynde, would nowe as well expulse the pernitious and +deuelyshe doctryne af that Romishe bishop, as his name is +blotted î bookes. There is none so ignoraunt, but he knoweth +that, thorough hym we were brought into a wõderful blindnes, +thorough hym we did sauer of nothyng, but of stynkyng +Ydolatry, through hym we were deceiued with +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>false +Ypocrisie. Now let euery blind stiffe hearted, and obstinate +creature compare his abhomination with the gospell, and if +he be not shameles, he will abashe to smell of his +papistrie, and to walow still in ignoraunce, vn lest he bee +priuely confederate and in heart consent with the detestable +felowship of al wicked papistes. Now would God all suche men +would reduce ageyn their heartes vnto y<sup>e</sup> gospell of +Christ, would god they would bee prouoked by some meane to +desire knowledge. O that god woulde yeoue them a couragious +mynde too reade the gospel, there they shal sone fynde all +the venoume of the romishe sort most playnely detected. +Forsoth wee see dayly, y<sup>t</sup> lacke of knowledge of the gospel +maketh some busserdes runne hedlong on all rockes, daungers, +& extreme perilles: yea, and beside that, olde popysh +doctryne whiche lyeth folded vp & locked faste in their +heartes, doeth so sore blynd thê that they haue neither +fauour ne affectiõ too printe in their myndes, the expressed +coûcels, admonitions, and +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>preceptes of the holy +scripture, but too slepe stil in their owne conceites, +dreames, & fonde phansies. Wherfore let your dignitie note +well this, that all those whiche bee not wyllyng y<sup>t</sup> gods +woord should bee knowen, and that blyndenes should be clean +expulsed from all men, whiche be baptised in y<sup>e</sup> blessed +bludde of Christ, bewray themselues playne papistes: for in +very deede that most deceatful wolfe and graund maister +papist with his totiens quotiens, and a pena et culpa +blesseth all suche as will bee blynde stil, maintaine his +põpe, drinke of his cuppe of fornication, trust in his +pardounes, liue in popery, ypocrisie, and dãnable ydolatrie, +shut vp the kingdome of heauen, & neuer regarde the gospel. +Cõtrarie too this, christ bi his holy Prophete calleth al +those blessed y<sup>t</sup> seke for his testimonies, al those his +elect & chosê childrê, which turne frõ synne, ypocrisie, & +ydolatrie, all those goddes y<sup>t</sup> heare his word, yea, & +breuely, al those which set it forward honorable mê. & in +this puincte your grace shoulde euer beare in mynde, +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>that noble and +vertuous kyng Hezekiah, whiche shewed +hymselfe very honorable in settîg forward ye woord of God, +and therby gotte hym glory and fame immortall, so that nowe +he is most highly praysed amongtst all men. Ageyn his +subiectes dyd obey his commaundement feynedly with +Ypocrisie, but in their heartes they abhorred gods woord. +O the miserie that dyd afterwarde sodeinly ensue vpon them, +O the wonderfull wrath of God that was poured vpon them, +O their great and obstinate blindnes whiche caused them most +greuously too be scourged: Their plage was no lesse then too +bee vtterly spoyled of their enemies, Their plage was no +lesse then to eate one an other: Yea, their plage was no +lesse then to eate their owne sonnes and doughters. This +calamitie and sorow (most noble prynce) happened them +because they dyd not regarde the lawes of God, but tourned +too their olde abhominable Ydolatrie, and lightelye estemed +gods holy woord. Wherfore euen now whosoeuer is an enemie +<span class = "pagenum">B.i.</span>to the holy Bible, +that is, neither studiyng it +himselfe, nor willyng that other men shulde knowe it, he can +in no wyse be a right christian man: although he fast, pray, +doo almes, & all the good workes vnder heauen. And he that +hath suche a mynde, is y<sup>e</sup> most cursed and cruel enemie too +god, a playne sower of sedition, and a deuelishe disquieter +of all godly men. For truly those that reade the gospel of +Christ, and labour diligêtly therin: doo fynde wonderfull +rest & quietnes, from all woofull miserie, perturbatiõ, and +vanities of this world. And surely none but ypocrites or els +deuilles would go about too stoppe or allure men from suche +a treasure and godly study. And it were conuenient, that all +they whiche wyll remayne styll necligent, styffe, & blind: +shuld set before their faces the feare of paynes infernall, +and if thei haue any grace at all, their spirites ought to +be moued: too note the great plages that haue happened the +slouthful in gods woord, & those that haue been stubburne +ageynst the settyng +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>out of it. There bee a thousand +recordes and examples in the holy Bible agaynst such as be +farre wyde from knowledge, and lye now walteryng styl in +ignoraunce and will not looke vpon the bible. It woulde +seme, they hope for a thyng, but their hope is in vaine: For +saint Paule plainely writeth the hope of suche ypocrites +shall coom<sup>n</sup> too nought. And too conclude (most honorable +Prince) seeyng wee haue suche knowledge opened vnto vs, as +neuer had englishe mê, and are clearly deliuered from the +snares and deceiptes of al false and wicked doctrine, if we +shuld not now thãkefully receaue the gospell, and shewe our +selues naturally enclyned to set it forwarde, yea, and pray +daye and night vnto God, for the preseruatiõ and health of +the kynges highnes, your graces deare, and most entierly +beloued father, we were neither true subiectes nor ryght +christen men. Forsoth, through the absolute wisedome, and +the most godly and politike prudencie of his grace, the +swete sounde of gods woorde is gone +tho<span class = "pagenum">B.ii.</span>rough out +all this realme, the holye Bible and blessed testament of +oure sauiour Christ are coom<sup>n</sup>ne to lighte, and thousandes +haue faithfully receiued those pleasaunt, ioyfull, and most +comfortable promises of God. Surely this thyng before all +other, is acceptable too god. This thyng especially swageth +y<sup>e</sup> ire of god. This thyng in all holi scriptures god most +chiefly requireth of his elect & faithfull seruaûtes, euen +too haue his lytell flocke knowe his blessed woorde, whiche +woulde bee muche better knowê & more thankefulli receaued, +yf al agees and degrees of men with one mynd, wyll, & voice, +would nowe drawe after one lyne, leauyng their owne priuate +affections, and shewe theim selues euer vigilant, prompt, & +ready helpers & workers with God, (accordynge to the +councell of sainct Paule) & especially priestes, +scolemaisters & parêtes, which accordyng too y<sup>e</sup> Prophete +Dauid are blessed, if they gladly requite y<sup>e</sup> lawe of God. +They shuld therfore reade y<sup>e</sup> bible & purdge theyr mindes +of al papistry: for theyr +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>necligence, in dooyng their +duties & slugishnes toward y<sup>e</sup> blessed woord of god, dooeth +too muche appere. Through them forsoth the gospel of Christ +shuld bee most strongely warded and defended, for almost all +the Prophetes, and a great parte of the scripture beside +teache them their duties, and shew playnely what maner of +men they shulde bee: Yea, and how greuously the holy +Prophetes crie out vpon false and ignoraunt priestes, the +thyng is very euident. But through the helppe of God all +those that be ignoraunt, or els learned (as they take them +selues) wyll leaue of, and repent them of their wicked and +obstinate blyndnes, and bowe them selues with all +oportunitie too draw mens heartes too the holy testament of +God: consideryng, y<sup>t</sup> in the terrible day of iudgement, +euery mã shall yeoue accompte of his Beliwicke, where +neither ignoraûce shall excuse vs, ne yet any worldly põpe +may defêd vs. Most happye thê shall they bee, whiche haue +walked iustely in the sight of the Lorde, and +<span class = "pagenum">B.iii.</span>that +haue syncerely preached his testament and lyuely woord +withoute flattery or iuggelyng: Yea, and in y<sup>t</sup> fearful +day, all they (as writeth S. Augustine) shal fynde mercie at +the handes of god, whiche haue entised and allured other +vnto goodnes and vertue. Weiyng this with my self, (most +excellent, and vnto all kynd of vertues most prõpt & prestãt +Prince) I thought it good too translate this Dialoge, called +the Epicure, for your grace: whiche semed too me, too bee +very familiar, & one of y<sup>e</sup> +godliest Dialoges y<sup>t</sup> any mã +hath writtê in y<sup>e</sup> latin tong. Now therfore I most humili +praie, y<sup>t</sup> this my rude & simple trãslation may bee +acceptable vnto your grace, trustyng also y<sup>t</sup> your most +approued gentilnes, wil take it in good part. There as I doo +not folow y<sup>e</sup> latyn, woord for woord, for I omytte y<sup>t</sup> of +a certaine set purpose.</p> +<br> +<p align = "center"><span class = "italics">Your humile seruaunt, +Philyppe</span><br> +<span class = "headline2">Gerrard, groume of your</span><br> +graces Chambre.</p> +<br> +<hr> +<span class = "pagenum">|</span> +<br> +<table align = "center"> +<tr> +<td><span class = "roman">The inter-<br> +locutours</span></td> +<td><p>{<span class = "speaker">HEDONIVS</span></p> +<p>{<span class = "speaker">SPVDEVS</span></p></td> +</tr> +</table> +<br> +<p><img src = "images/w22.png" border = "0" align = "left" +hspace = "5" width = "216" height = "227" alt = "W"> +<span class = "italics">HAT</span> meaneth hit +<span class = "roman">Spudeus</span>, too applye hys booke so +ernestlye I praye you what is the matter you murmour so with +yourselfe?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDEVS.</span> The truth is +(O <span class = "roman">Hedoni</span>) I +seke too haue knowledge of a thing, but as yet I cannot +fynde y<sup>t</sup> whych maketh for my purpose.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO</span> What +booke haue you there in your bosome?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDE.</span> <span class = "roman">Ciceros</span> +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>dialoge of the endes of goodnes.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> It had +bene farre more better for you, too haue sought for the +begynnynges of godly thynges, then the endes.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDE.</span> +Yea, but <span class = "roman">Marcus Tullius</span> nameth y<sup>t</sup> the ende of +godlines which is an exquisite, a far passing, and a very +absolute goodnes in euerye puincte, wherein there is +contained all kynde of vertu: vnto the knowledge ther of +whosoeuer can attaine, shuld desire none other thîg, but +hold himselfe hauyng onely that, as one most fully content +and satisfied.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> That is a worke of very great +learning and eloquence. But doo you thynke, y<sup>t</sup> you haue +preuailed in any thîg there, whereby you haue the +ra<span class = "pagenum">|</span>ther come too the knowledge of the truth?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPE.</span> I +haue had such fruite and cõmoditie by it, that now verelye +hereafter I shall doubt more of the effect and endes of good +thinges, then I did before.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> It is for husbãd +menne too stande in doubt how farre the limittes and +merebãkes extend.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPE.</span> And I cannot but muse styll, +yea, and wonder very muche, why ther hath been so great +controuersie in iudgementes vpon so weightie a matter (as +this is) emongist so well learned menne: especially suche as +bee most famous and auncient writers.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> This was +euen the cause, where the verite of a thyng is playne and +manifest, cõtrarily, y<sup>e</sup> errour through +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>ignoraunce +againe in the same, is soone great & by diuers meanes +encreaseth, for y<sup>t</sup> thei knewe not the foundation and first +beginnyng of the whole matter, they doo iudge at all +auentures and are very fondly disceaued, but whose sentence +thynke you too bee truest?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPE.</span> Whan I heare +<span class = "roman">MARCVS Tullius</span> reproue the thyng, I then fãtasie none +of all their iudgementes, and whan I heare hym agayne +defende the cause: it maketh me more doubtfull thê euer I +was and am in suche a studie, that I can say nothyng. But as +I suppose y<sup>e</sup> Stoickes haue erred the lest, and nexte vnto +thê I commend the <span class = "roman">Peripatetickes</span>.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDo.</span> Yet I +lyke none of their opini<span class = "pagenum">|</span>ons so well as I doo the +Epicures.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> And emõgist all the sectes: the +<span class = "roman">Epicures</span> iudgement is most reproued and condemned +with the whole consent and arbitremêt of all menne. +<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> Let vs laye a side all disdayne and spite of +names, and admitte the Epicure too bee suche one, as euery +man maketh of hym. Let vs ponder and weighe the thyng as it +is in very deed. He setteth the high and principall +felicitie of man in pleasure, and thiketh that lyfe most +pure and godly, whiche may haue greate delectatiõ and +pleasure, and lytle pensiuenes.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> It is euen so.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> What more vertuouser thyng, I praye you, is +possible too bee spokê then this +<span class = "pagenum">|</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "text reads 'sai-|saiyng'">saiyng</ins>.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> +Yea, but all menne wonder and crye out on it, and saye: it +is the voyce of a bruite beast, and not of manne.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> I knowe thei doo so, +but thei erre in y<sup>e</sup> +vocables of theise thinges, and are very ignoraunt of the +true and natiue significations of the woordes, for if wee +speake of perfecte thynges, no kinde of menne bee more +righter <span class = "roman">Epicures</span>, then Christen men liuing reuerêtly +towardes God and mã, and in the right seruice and worshiping +of Christ.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV</span> But I thinke the +<span class = "roman">Epicures</span> bee +more nerer and agree rather with the <span class = "roman">Cynickes</span>, then +with the Christien sorte: forsoth y<sup>e</sup> Christiens make them selues leane +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>with fastynge, bewayle and lament their +offences, and eyther they bee nowe poore, or elles theyr +charitie and liberalitie on the nedye maketh theim poore, +thei suffer paciently to bee oppressed of mêne that haue +great power and take many wronges at their handes, and many +men also laughe theim too skorne. Nowe, if pleasure brynge +felicitie wyth it, or helpe in anye wyse vnto the +furderaunce of vertue: we see playnly that this kynde of +lyfe is fardest from al pleasures.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedonius.</span> But doo +you not admitte <span class = "roman">Plautus</span> too bee of authoritie?<br> +<span class = "speaker">Speudeus.</span> Yea, yf he speake vprightely.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedonius.</span> Heare nowe them, and beare awaye +wyth you the saiynge of +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>an vnthriftie seruaunt, whyche is more +wyttier then all the paradoxes of the Stoickes.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPE.</span> I tarie to heare what ye wil say.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> Ther is +nothyng more miserable then a mynd vnquiet & agreued with it +selfe.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPE.</span> I like this saiyng well, but what doo +you gather of it?<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> If nothing bee more miserable +thê an vnquiet mynde, it foloweth also, that there is +nothing happiar, then a mynde voyde of all feare, grudge, +and vnquietnes.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPEV.</span> Surely you gather the thing +together with good reasõ but that notwithstandynge, in what +countrie shall you fynde any such mynde, that knoweth not it +selfe gyltie and culpable in some kynde of euell,<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>I call that euyll, whiche dissolueth the +pure loue and amitie betwixt God and manne.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> And +I suppose there bee verye fewe, but that thei bee offêders +in this thynge.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> And in good soth I take it, +that al those y<sup>t</sup> bee purdged, are clere: whych wiped out +their fautes with lee of teares, and saltpeter of sorowfull +repentaunce, or els with the fire of charitie, their offêces +nowe bee not only smalle grefe and vnquietnes too them, but +also chaunce oftê for some more godlier purpose, as causing +thê too lyue afterward more accordyngly vnto Gods +commaûdemêtes.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> In deede I knowe saltpeter and +lee, but yet I neuer hearde before, that faultes +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>haue +been purdged with fire.<br> +<span class = "speaker">H.</span> Surely, if you go to the +minte you shall see gould fyned wyth fyre, notwithstãdyng +that ther is also, a certaine kynde of linê that brenneth +not if it bee cast in y<sup>e</sup> fyre, but loketh more whiter then +any water coulde haue made it, & therefore it is called +<span class = "roman">Linum asbestinum</span>, a kynde of lynen, whyche canne +neither bee quenched with water nor brent with fyre.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> Nowe in good faith you bring a paradox more +wõderful then all the maruailous and profound thynges of the +Stoickes: lyue thei pleasasauntly whom Chryst calleth +blessed for that they mourne & lament?<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedonius.</span> Thei +seme too the worlde too mourne, but +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>verely they lyue in +greate pleasure, and as the commune saiynge is, thei lyue +all together in pleasure, in somuche that +<span class = "roman">SARDANAPALVS</span>, +<span class = "roman">Philoxenus</span>, or +<span class = "roman">Apitius</span> compared vnto them: or +anye other spoken of, for the greate desyre and study of +pleasures, did leade but a sorowefull and a myserable lyfe.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spe.</span> These thinges that you declare bee so straunge +and newe, that I can scarcelye yeoue any credite vnto them.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> Proue and assaye them ones, and you shall fynde +all my saiynges so true as the Gospell, and immediatly I shal +bryng the thynge too suche a conclusion (as I suppose) that +it shall appeare too differ very lytle from the truth +<span class = "pagenum">C.i</span><br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> make hast then vnto your purpose.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> It shalbe doone if you +wyll graunt me certayne thynges or I begynne.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> If in case you demaunde +suche as bee resonable.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> I wyl take myne +aduauntage, if you confesse the thyng that maketh for mine +intent.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> go too.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> I thynke ye wyll +fyrste graunt me, that ther is great diuersitie betwxt the +solle and the bodye<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> Euen as much as there is +betwene heauen and yearth, or a thyng earthly and brute, & +y<sup>t</sup> whiche dieth neuer, but alwayes cõtaineth in it the +godly nature.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> And also, that false deceiueable +& coûterfetted holy thynges, are not too bee taken for +those, which in very dede be +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>godly.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spude.</span> No +more then the shaddowes are too bee estemed for the bodies, +or the illusions and wonders of wytchcraftes or the +fantasies of dreames, are too bee taken as true thynges.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> Hitherto you answer aptly too my purpose, +and I thynke you wyl graunt me this thyng also, that true and +godly pleasure can reste and take place no where but only on +such a mynd that is sobree and honest.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> What +elles? for no man reioyseth too beholde the Sunne, if his +eyes bee bleared or elles delecteth in wyne, if the agew +haue infected hys tast.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> And the +<span class = "roman">Epicure</span> +hymselfe, or elles I am disceiued, would not clippe & +enbrace that pleasure, whiche +<span class = "pagenum">C.ii.</span>would bring with it +farre greater payne and suche as would bee of long +continuaunce.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV</span> I thynke he woulde not, if he had +any wytte at all.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> Nor you wyll not denye this, +that God is the chiefe and especiall goodnes, then whõ there +is nothyng fayrer, there is nothyng ameabler, ther is +nothing more delicious and swetter.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDE.</span> No man +wyll deny thys except he bee very harde hearted and of an +vngentler nature then the <span class = "roman">Ciclopes</span>.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> Nowe +you haue graunted vnto me, that none lyue in more pleasure, +then thei whyche lyue vertuouslye, and agayne, none in more +sorowe and calamytie then those that +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>lyue vngratiously.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> Then I haue graûted more +thê I thought I had.<br> +<span class = "speaker">He.</span> But what thing you haue ones +cõfessed too bee true (as <span class = "roman">Plato</span> sayth) +you should not deny it afterward.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> Go furth with your matter.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO</span> The litle whelpe y<sup>t</sup> +is set store and greate +price by, is fed most daintely, lieth soft, plaieth and +maketh pastime continually, doo you thinke that it lyueth +plesaûtly?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> It dooeth truely.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> Woulde +you wyshe to haue suche a lyfe?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> God forbyd that, +excepte I woulde rather bee a dogge then a man,<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> +Then you confesse that all the chief pleasures arise and +spring frõ the mynd, as though it were from a welspryng.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> +<span class = "pagenum">C.iii</span>That is euident ynough.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> +Forsoth the strength and efficacy of the minde is so great, +that often it taketh away the felyng of al externe and +outward pain & maketh that pleasaunt, which by it selfe is +very peynful.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> We se that dayly in louers, hauyng +great delight to sytte vp long & too daunce attendaunce at +their louers doores all the colde wynter nyghtes.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDo.</span> Now weigh this also, +if the naturall loue of +man, haue suche great vehemency in it, which is a cõmune +thyng vnto vs, both with bulles and dogges, howe much more +should all heauenly loue excell in vs, which cõmeth of y<sup>e</sup> +spirit of Christ, whose strêgthe is of suche power, that it +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>would make death a thîg most terrible, +too bee but a pleasure vnto vs.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> What other men thîke inwardly +I know not, but certes thei wãt many pleasures which cleaue +fast vnto true and perfect vertue.<br> +<span class = "speaker">He.</span> What +pleasures?<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> Thei waxe not rich, thei optein no +promotiõ, thei bãket not, thei daûce not, thei sing not, +thei smell not of swete oyntmêtes, thei laugh not, thei play +not.<br> +<span class = "speaker">He.</span> We should haue made no mention in thys place +of ryches and prefermente, for they bryng wyth them no +pleasaunt lyfe, but rather a sadde and a pêsiue. Let vs +intreate of other thynges, suche as they chiefely seeke for, +whose desyre is to liue deliciously, see ye not daily +drõ<span class = "pagenum">C.iiii</span>kerdes, fooles, +and mad menne grinne and leape?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> I see it<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> Do you thynke that thei +liue most pleasaûtly?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV</span> God send myne enemies such +myrth & pleasure.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> Why so?<br> +<span class = "speaker">Sp.</span> For ther +lacketh emongist thê sobrietie of mind.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> Then you +had leuer sit fastyng at your booke, then too make pastime +after any suche sorte.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> Of thê both: truly I had +rather chose to delue.<br> +<span class = "speaker">H.</span> For this is plaine that +betwixt the mad mã & the drûkerd ther is no diuersitie, but +y<sup>t</sup> slepe wil helpe the one his madnes, & +with much a doo +y<sup>e</sup> cure of <span class = "roman">Physicions</span> +helpeth the other, but the +foole natural differeth nothing frõ a brute beast except by +shape and portrature of body, yet thei +<span class = "pagenum">|</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword spelled 'bee'">be</ins> lesse +miserable whom nature hathe made verye brutes, then those +that walowe theim selues in foule and beastly lustes.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> I confesse that.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> But now tell me, +whether you thynke thê sobre and wyse, which for playn +vanities and shadowes of plesure, booth dispice the true and +godlye pleasures of the mynde and chose for them selues +suche thynges as bee but vexacion & sorowe.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> I take it, thei bee not.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> In deede thei bee not +drûke with wyne, but with loue with anger, with auarice, +with ambicion, and other foule and filthie desires, whiche +kynde of drunkenes is farre worse, thê that is gotten with +drinking of wine. Yet <span class = "roman">Sirus</span> y<sup>t</sup> +leude cõspaniõ <span class = "pagenum">|</span>of whom +mention is made in y<sup>e</sup> commedie, spake witty +thynges after he had slepte hym self soobre, and called too +memorie his greate and moost beastlye drunkenes: but the +minde that is infected with vicious & noughty desire, hath +muche a doo too call it selfe whom agein? How many yeares +doeth loue, anger, spite, sensualitie, excesse, and +ambition, trouble and prouoke the mynde? How many doo wee +see, whiche euen from their youth, too their latter dais +neuer awake nor repêt them of the drunkennes, of ambitiõ, +nigardnes, wanton lust, & riatte?<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> I haue knowen +ouermany of y<sup>t</sup> sorte.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> You haue graûted that +false and fayned good +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>thinges, are not too bee estemed +for the pure and godly.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Sp.</span> And I affirme that still.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> Nor that there is no +true and perfect pleasure, +except it bee taken of honest and godly thynges.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spud.</span> I confesse that.<br> +<span class = "speaker">He.</span> Then (I pray you) +bee not those good that the commune sorte seeke for, they +care not howe?<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> I thinke they be not.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> Surely if thei were good, they would not +chaunce but onely too good men: and would make all those +vertuous that they happen vntoo. What maner of pleasure make +you that, doo you thinke it too bee godly, which is not of +true & honest thynges, but of deceatfull: and coometh out of +y<sup>e</sup> shadowes of good thynges?<br> +<span class = "speaker">Sp.</span> +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>Nay in noo wyse.<br> +<span class = "speaker">He.</span> For pleasure maketh vs to liue merely.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> Yea, nothyng so muche.<br> +<span class = "speaker">He.</span> Therfore no +man truely liueth pleasauntly, but he that lyueth godly: +that is, whiche vseth and delecteth onli in good thynges: +for vertue of it selfe, maketh a man to habound in all +thynges that bee good, perfete, & prayse worthy: yea, it +onely prouoketh God the fountaine of all goodnes, too loue +and fauour man.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> I almost consent with you.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> But now marke howe far they bee from all +pleasure, whiche seeme openly emongist all men too folowe +nothyng, but the inordinate delectation in in thynges carnall. +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>First their mynde is vile, and corrupted with +the sauour and taste of noughtie desires, in so muche y<sup>t</sup> +if any pleasaunt thing chaunce them, forthwith it waxeth +bitter, and is nought set by, in like maner as where y<sup>e</sup> +welle hed is corrupted and stynketh, there y<sup>e</sup> water must +nedes be vnsauery. Agein ther is no honest pleasure, but +that whiche wee receaue with a sobre and a quiet mynde. For +wee see, nothyng reioyseth the angry man more, thê too bee +reuenged on his offenders, but that pleasure is turned into +pain after his rage bee past, and anger subdued.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> +I say not the contrary.<br> +<span class = "speaker">He.</span> Finally, suche leude +pleasures bee taken of fallible thinges, +there<span class = "pagenum">|</span>fore it +foloweth that they be but delusiõs and shadowes. What woulde +you say furthermore, if you saw a mã so deceaued with +sorcerie & also other detestable witchecraftes, eat, drynke, +leap, laugh, yea, and clappe handes for ioye, when ther wer +no such thyng there in very dede, as he beleueth he seeth.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> I wolde say he were both mad and miserable.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> I my self haue been often in place, where the +lyke thyng hath been doone. There was a priest whiche knewe +perfectly by longe experience and practise, the arte to make +thynges seme that they were not, otherwise called, +<span class = "roman">deceptio visus</span>.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Sp.</span> He did not lerne +that arte of the holy scripture?<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> Yea, +ra<span class = "pagenum">|</span>ther of most +popeholy charmes and witchecraftes: that is too saye, of +thinges, cursed, dampnable, and wourthy too bee abhorred. +Certayne ladies & gentlewomen of the courte, spake vnto hym +oftentimes: saiyng, they woulde coom<sup>n</sup> one day too his +house and see what good chere he kept: reprouyng, greatly +vile and homly fare, and moderate expenses in all thynges. +He graunted they shulde bee welcome, and very instauntly +desired them. And they came fastyng because they would haue +better appetites. Whã they wer set to dyner (as it was +thought) ther wãted noo kynde of delitious meat: they filled +thê selues haboûdantly: after y<sup>e</sup> feast was +<span class = "pagenum">|</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword spelled 'done'">doone</ins>, +they gaue moost hearty thanckes, for their galaunte cheare, +and departed, euery one of them vnto their owne lodgynges: +but anone their stomackes beganne too waxe an hungred, they +maruayled what this shuld meane, so soone to be an hungred +and a thirste, after so sumptuous a feast: at the last the +matter was openly knowen and laught at.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spu.</span> Not +without a cause, it had been muche better for thê too haue +satisfied their stomackes at their owne chãbers with a messe +of potage, thê too be fed so delitiousli with vain illusiõs.<br> +<span class = "speaker">H.</span> And as I thîk y<sup>e</sup> +cõmune sort of men ar muche +more too bee laught at, whiche in steede of Godlye thynges, +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>chose vaine and transitory shadowes, +and reioyce +excedyngly in suche folishe phansies that turne not +afterwarde in too <ins class = "correction" title = +"text reads 'a / a laughter'">a laughter</ins>, but into euerlasting +lamentation and sorow.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spudeus</span> The more nerelier I +note your saiynges, the better I like thê.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> Go +too, let vs graunt for a tyme these thynges too bee called +pleasaunt, that in very dede ar not. Would yow saye that +meeth were swete: whiche had more Aloes myngled with it, +then honye?<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spud.</span> I woulde not so say and if there +were but the third part of an ounce of Aloes mixt with it.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hedo.</span> Or els, would you wishe to +bee scabbed because you haue some pleasure too scratch?<br> +<span class = "speaker">Spud.</span> Noo, if I +wer <span class = "pagenum">D.i</span>in my right mynd.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> Then weigh with +your self how great peyne is intermyngled wyth these false +and wrongly named pleasures, y<sup>t</sup> vnshamefast loue filthie +desire, much eatyng and drinking bring vs vnto: I doo omitte +now that, which is principall grudge of cõscience, enemitie +betwixt God and mã, and expectation of euerlastyng +punishêment. What kynd of pleasure, I pray you is ther in +these thinges, that dooeth not bryng with it a greate heape +of outeward euilles?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> What bee thei?<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> We ought to let passe +and forbeare in this place auarice, +ambition, wrath, pryde enuy, whiche of their selues bee heuy +and sorowful euylles and +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>let vs conferre and compare +all those thynges together, y<sup>t</sup> haue the name of some chief +and special pleasure: wher as the agew the hedache, the +swelling of the belly, dulnes of witte, infamy, hurt of +memory, vomyting, decaye of stomacke, tremblyng of the body +succede of ouer muche drynking: thynke you, that the +<span class = "roman">Epicure</span> would haue estemed any suche lyke pleasure as +thys, cõuenient and wourthy desire?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> He woulde +saye it wer vtterly too bee refused.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDONi.</span> Wheras +young men also with hauntynge of whores (as it is dayly +seene) catche the newe leprosie, nowe otherwyse named Jobs +agew, and some cal it the scabbes of Naples, throughe +<span class = "pagenum">D.ii</span>which desease they feele often +y<sup>e</sup> most extreme and +cruell paines of deathe euen in this lyfe, and cary about a +bodye resemblyng very much some dead coarse or carryn, do +you thynke that thei apply them selues vnto godlye pleasure.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVD.</span> Noo, for after thei haue been often familiar +with their prety ones, then they must goo streighte too the +barbours, that chaunceth continuallye vnto all whoremongers.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> Now fayne that ther wer a lyke measure of pain +and plesure, would ye then require too haue the toothache so +longe as the pleasure of quaffing & whordome endured?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> Verely I had rather wãt them booth, for ther is +no commoditie nor van<span class = "pagenum">|</span>tage to bye pleasure with payn but +only to chaûg one thing for another, but the best choise is +nowe not too affectionate anye such leudnes, for <span class = "roman">MAR. +Tullius</span> calleth that an inward greife & sorow.<br> +<span class = "speaker">He.</span> But now y<sup>e</sup> prouocation +& entisemêt of vnleful +plesure, besides that it is much lesse then the pain which +it bringeth with it, it is also a thing of a very short +time: but if the leprosye bee ones caught, it tourmêteth mê +al their life daies very pitifully & oftentimes cõstraineth +them to wyshe for death before thei cã dye.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> Such +disciples as those then, the <span class = "roman">Epicure</span> would not knowe.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> For the most part pouertie, a very miserable and +painfull burden, foloweth +<span class = "pagenum">D.iii.</span>lechery, of immoderate +lust cõmeth the palsie, tremblyng of y<sup>e</sup> senewes, bleardnes +of eyes, and blyndnes, the leprosie and not these only, is +it not a <u>p</u>per pece of worke (I pray you) to chaûg this +short pleasure neyther honest nor yet godly, for so manye +euylles far more greuouse and of muche longer continuance.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> Although there shoulde no pain com of it, +I esteme hym to bee a very fond occupier, which would chaûge +precious stones for glasse.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> You meane that would +lose the godly pleasures of the mynde, for the coloured +pleasures of y<sup>e</sup> body.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> That is my meanyng.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> But nowe let vs come to a more perfecter +supputation, neither the agewe +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>nor yet pouerty foloweth +alwaies carnal pleasure, nor the new leprosy or els the +palsy wait not on at al times the great & excessiue vse of +lecherye, but grudge of cõsiêce euermore is a folower & sure +companiõ of al vnleaful pleasure, then the which as it is +plainly agreed betwixt vs, nothyng is more miserable.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> Yea, rather it grudgeth their cõscience sometyme +before hande, & in the self pleasure it pricketh their +mynde, yet ther bee some y<sup>t</sup> you woulde say, want this +motion and feelyng.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> Thei bee nowe therfore in +worse estate & cõditiõ. Who would not rather feele payne, +then too haue hys body lacke any perfecte sence, truly from +some ether intempe<span class = "pagenum">D.iiii.</span>ratnes of euel desires, euen +like as it were a certayne kynde of drunkenes, or els wont +and cõmune haunt of vice which ar so hardened in them, y<sup>t</sup> +they take a way y<sup>e</sup> felyng & cõsideration of euyl in their +youth, so that whã agee commeth vpõ them beside other +infinitie hurtes and perturbations agaynst whose commyng +thei should haue layd vp the deedes of their former lyfe, as +a special iuwel and treasure: then thei stande greatly in +fear of death, a thyng emongist all other most ineuitable, & +that no man canne shonne: yea, and the more they haue +heretofore been dysmayed and lacked their sences, the +greater now is their vnquietnes and grudge of +cons<span class = "pagenum">|</span>cience, +then truely the mynde is sodenly awaked whether it +wol or noo, and verely wher as olde agee is alwayes sad and +heuy of it selfe for as muche as it is in subiection and +bondage vnto many incommodities of nature, but then it is +farre more wretchede and also fylthye, if the mynde vnquiet +with it selfe shal trouble it also: feastes, ryotous +banketyng, syngyng, and daunsynge, with manye suche other +wanton toyes & pastimes which he was communely yeouê vnto & +thought very plesaût when he was young, bee nowe paynfull +vnto hym beyng olde and crooked, ne agee hath nothyng too +comforte and fortifi +<span class = "pagenum">|</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword is 'hym'">it</ins> selfe withall, but onely too +remembre that it hath passed ouer the course of yeares in +vertue and godly liuyng and conceaue a special trust too +obtaine herafter a better kynde of life. These be the two +staues <ins class = "correction" title = +"unchanged: 'where-/vpon'">wherevpon</ins> age is stayed, & +if in their steed you wyll +lay on hym these two burdens: that is, memorie how synfully +he hath ledde his life, and desperation of the felicitie +that is too coome, I praye you what liuyng thyng can bee +feyned too suffre sorer punishement and greater miserie?<br> +<span class = "speaker">spu.</span> Verely I can see nothyng although some man +woulde saye an olde horse.<br> +<span class = "speaker">hedo.</span> Then to cõclude it +is too late to waxe wise And that saiyng appereth now +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>too bee very true. Carefull mornynges doo oftentymes +folowe mery euentides, and all vayne and outragious mirth +euer turneth into sorowfull sighes: yea, & they shulde haue +considered both that there is noo pleasure aboue y<sup>e</sup> +ioyfulnes of the heart, and that chearefull mynde maketh +agee too florishe, an heauy spirit consumeth the boones, & +also that all the dayes of the poore are euell: that is, +sorowfull and wretched. And agayne a quiet mynde is lyke a +contynuall feaste.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDEVS.</span> Therfore they bee wyse, +that thryue in tyme, and gather too gether necessaries for +that agee coom<sup>n</sup>.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDONI.</span> The holy scripture +intreateth not soo wordely +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>as too measure the felicitie +and highe consolation of manne, by the goodes of fortune, +onely he is very poore, that is destitute and voyde of al +grace & vertue, and standeth in boundage and debette, bothe +of bodye & solle vnto that tyranne oure moost +<ins class = "correction" title = "unchanged from original">foo</ins> +& mortall enemie the deuill.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> Surely he is one that is veri +rigorous and impatient in demaundynge of his dutie.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> Moreouer that man is ryche, +whiche fyndeth mercye +and foryeouenes at the handes of god. What shuld he feare, +that hath suche a protectour? Whether men? where as playnely +theyr hole power may lesse do agaêst God, then the bytyng of +a gnat, <span class = "pagenum">|</span>hurteth the Elephant. +Whether death? truly that +is a right passage for good men vnto all sufficient ioy and +perfection accordyng too the iust reward of true religion +and vertue. Whether hell? For as in that the holy prophete +speaketh boldely vnto God. Although I shulde walke in the +middest of the shadow of death, I wil not feare any euils +because y<sup>e</sup> art with me. Wherfore shulde he stande in feare +of deuils, whiche beareth in his heart hym, that maketh the +deuils too tremble and quake. For in diuers places the holye +scripture praiseth and declareth opêly the mynde of a +vertuous man, too bee the right temple of God. And this to +bee so true y<sup>t</sup> +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>that it is not too bee spoken agaynst, +ne in any wise shuld bee denied.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> Forsoth I can +not see, by what reason these saiynges of yours can be +confuted al thoughe they seme too varye muche from the +vulgar and cõmune opinion of men.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> Why doo they +soo?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> After your reasonyng euery honest poore +man, shulde liue a more pleasaunt life, then any other, how +much soeuer he did haboûd in riches, honour, and dignitie: +and breuely though he had all kynde of pleasures.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> +Adde this too it (if it please you) too bee a kyng, yea, or +an emperour if you take away a quiet mynd with it selfe, I +dare boldely say, that the poore man sklenderlye +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>and +homely appareled, made weake with fastyng, watchyng, great +toile and labour, and that hath scarcely a groat in all the +worlde, so that his mynde bee godly, he lyueth more +deliciously then that man whiche hathe fyue hûdreth times +greater pleasures & delicates, then euer had +<span class = "roman">Sardanapalus</span>.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> Why is it thê, that we see +communely those that bee poore looke farre more heuely then +riche men.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> Because some of them bee twise poore, +eyther some desease, nedines, watchyng, labour, nakednesse, +doo soo weaken the state of their bodyes, that by reason +therof, the chearefulnes of their myndes neuer sheweth it +selfe, neyther in these +thin<span class = "pagenum">|</span>ges, nor yet in their +deathe. The mynde, forsooth thoughe it bee inclosed within +this mortal bodye, yet for that it is of a stronger nature, +it sõwhat trãsfourmeth and fascioneth the bodie after it +selfe, especially if the vehement instigation of the spirit +approche the violent inclination of nature: this is the +cause we see oftentymes suche men as bee vertuous die more +cherefully, then those that make pastyme contynually, & bee +yeouê vnto all kynd of pleasures.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> In very dede, I +haue meruayled oftten at that thyng.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> Forsoothe it +is not a thyng too bee marueyled at, though that there +shulde bee vnspeakeable +<span class = "pagenum">|</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword spelled 'ioye'">ioy</ins> and comforte where God +<ins class = "correction" title = "text reads 'is / is present'">is present</ins>, +whiche is the heed of all mirth and gladnes, nowe +this is no straunge thyng, althoughe the mynde of a godly +man doo reioyce contynually in this mortall bodye: where as +if the same mynde or spirit discended into the lowest place +of hell shuld lose no parte of felicitie, for whersoeuer is +a pure mynd, there is god, wher God is: there is paradise, +ther is heauen, ther is felicitie, wher felicitie is: ther +is the true ioy and synsere gladnes.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> But yet they +shuld liue more pleasauntly, if certein incommodities were +taken from them, and had suche pastymes as eyther they +dispise orels can not get nor attaine vnto.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> +<span class = "pagenum">E.i.</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword omits '('">(I</ins> praye you) doo you meane, +suche incommodities as +by the commune course of nature folow the cõdition or state +of mã: as hunger, thirst, desease, werynes, age, death, +lyghtnyng yearthquake, fluddes & battail?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> I meane other, and these also.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> Then we intreate +styll of mortal thynges and not of immortal, & yet in these +euils the state of vertuous men, may bee better borne +withal, then of suche as seeke for the pleasures of the body +they care not howe.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> Why so:<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> Especyally because their +myndes bee accustomed and hardened +with most sure and moderate gouernaunce of reason against al +outragious affections of the mind +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>and they take more +patiently those thynges that cannot bee shonned then the +other sort doo Furthermore, for as muche as thei perceiue, +all such thynges ar sent of god, either for the punishment +of their faultes, or els too excitate and sturre them vp +vnto vertue, then thei as meeke and obediente chyldren +receiue them from the hãd of their mercifull father, not +only desireously, but also chearefully and geue thankes +also, namely for so merciful punyshment and inestimable +gaines.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> But many doo occatiõ +griefes vnto thê selues.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> But mo seeke remedye at the +<span class = "roman">Phisicions</span>, either to preserue +their bodies in helth or elles if they bee sycke, +too re<span class = "pagenum">E.ii.</span>couer health, but +willyngly too cause their owne sorowes, that is, pouertie, +sickenes, persecution, slaunder, excepte the loue of God +compel vs therto, it is <ins class = "correction" +title = "text reads 'no-/vertue'">no vertue</ins> but folishnes: but as +<ins class = "correction" title = "text reads 'of-/often'">often</ins> +as thei bee punyshed for Christ and iustice sake, who +dar bee so bold as too cal them beggers & wretches? whã the +Lord himself very famyliarly calleth them blessed, and +commaûdeth vs to reioyse for their state and condition.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> Neuerthelesse, +these thynges haue a certayne payne and griefe.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> Thei haue, but on the +onesyde, what for fear of hel, and the other for hoope of +euerlastynge ioye, the payne is sone past and forgottê Now +tell me if you knewe that +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>you myghte neuer bee sycke, +or elles that you shoulde feele no payne of your body in +your life tyme, if you woulde but ones suffer your vtter +skinne too bee prycked with a pynnes puinct, would you not +gladly and with all your very heart suffer then so lytle a +payne as that is?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV</span> Verye gladlye, yea, rather if I +knewe perfectlye that my teeth would neuer ake, I would +willynglye suffer too bee prycked depe with a nedle, and too +haue both mine eares bored through with a bodkin.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> Surely what payne soeuer happeneth in this +lyfe, it is lesse and shorter, compared with the eternall +paines, then is the soden pricke of a needle, incomparisõ of +the <span class = "pagenum">E.iii.</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword spelled 'life'">lyfe</ins> of man though it bee +neuer so long, for there is no conuenience or proportion of the thyng +that hath ende, and that whych is infinite.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> You speake very truly.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> Now if a man coulde fully perswade +you, that you should neuer feele payne in al your life, if +you did but ones deuide the flame of ye fyre, with your +hande, whyche thyng vndoughtely <span class = "roman">Pithagoras</span> +forbade, woulde you not gladlye doo it?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> Yea, on that +condicion I had liefer doo it an hundred times, if I knew +precisely the promiser would kepe touch.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HE.</span> It is +playne God cannot deceaue. But now that feelyng of paine in +the fyre is longer vnto the whole lyfe of man, then is the +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>lyfe of mã, in respect of the heauenlye ioye, +althoughe it were thrise so long as y<sup>e</sup> yeares of +<span class = "roman">Nestor</span>, for +that casting of the hand in the fyre thoughe it bee neuer so +shorte, yet it is some parte of hys lyfe, but the whole lyfe +of man is noo portion of tyme in respect of the eternal +lyfe.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> I haue nothyng too saye against you. +<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> Doo you then thyncke that anye +affliction or tourment can disquiet those that prepare them selues wyth a +chearful hearte and a stedfast hoope vnto the kyngedome of +God, wher as the course of this lyfe is nowe so shorte? +<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDE.</span> I thinke not, if thei haue +a sure perswasion and a constant hope too attayne it.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> I coome +<span class = "pagenum">E.iiii.</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword spelled 'nowe'">now</ins> vnto those pleasures, +whiche you obiected +agaynst me, they do wythdrawe them selues from daunsynge, +bankettynge, from pleasaunte seeghtes, they dispyce all +these thynges, as thus: for to haue the vse of thinges farre +more ioyfulle, and haue as great pleasure as these bee, but +after another sorte: the eye hath not seene, the eare hath +not heard, nor the heart of man cannot thyncke what +consolations <span class = "roman">GOD</span> hathe ordeined for them that loue +hym. Sayncte Paule knewe what maner of thynges shoulde bee +the songes, queeres, daunsynges, and bankettes of vertuous +myndes, yea, in this lyfe.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDEVS</span> but there bee some +leafull plea<span class = "pagenum">|</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword is '-sure'">sures</ins>, whyche they vtterlye refuse.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDONIVS.</span> That maye bee, for the immoderate vse of +leafull and godly games or pastymes, is vnleaful: and if you +wyll excepte this one thing onlye, in al other thei excelle +whiche seeme too leade a paynfull lyfe, and whome we take +too bee ouerwhelmed with all kynd of miseries. Now I prai +you what more roialler sight can ther be, then y<sup>e</sup> +cõtêplatiõ of this world? and such men as y<sup>e</sup> be in fauour +of god keping his holy cõmaûdemêtes & loue his most blessed +testamêt, receiue far geater pleasure in the syght therof, +then thother sorte doo, for while thei behold wyth +ouercurious eyes, y<sup>e</sup> wõderful worke, their mynde +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>is +troubled because they can not compasse for what purpose he +doeth such thinges, then thei improue the moost righte and +wise gouernour of all and murmour at his doinges as though +they were goddes of reprehension: and often finde faute with +that lady nature, and saye that she is vnnaturall, whiche +taunt forsooth with as muche spite as can bee shewed with +woordes, greueth nature: but truely it reboundeth on hym, +that made nature, if there bee any at all. But the vertuous +man with godly & simple eyes beholdeth with an excedyng +reioyce of heart the workes of his Lorde and father highly +praysyng thê all, and neither reprehêdeth nor +<span class = "pagenum">|</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword spelled 'fyndeth'">findeth</ins> +faut with any of thê, but for euery thyng yeoueth moste +hearty thankes, when he considereth that al were made for +the loue of man. And so in al thynges, he praieth vnto the +infinite power, deuine wisedome, & goodnes of the maker, +wherof he perceiueth moste euident tokens in thynges that +bee here created. Now fain that there were suche a palace in +verie deede as <span class = "roman">Apuleus</span> faineth, +or els one that were +more royall and gorgeouse, and that you shoulde take twoo +thither with you too beholde it, the one a straunger, whiche +gooeth for this intent onely too see the thyng, and the +other the seruaût or soonne of hym that firste causeth this +buyldyng, whether +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>will haue more delectie in it? the +straunger, too whom suche maner of house dooeth nothyng +appartain, or the soonne whiche beholdeth with greate ioye +and pleasure, the witte, riches, and magnificence of his +deerely beloued father, especially when he dooeth consider +all this worke was made for his sake.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Sp.</span> Your +question is too plain: for they most cõmunely that bee of +euill condicions, knowe that heauen and all thinges +contained therin, were made for mannes sake.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> +Almoste al knowe that, but some dooe not remembre it, +shewyng thêselues vnthãkeful for the great and exhuberãt +benefittes of god, & al though thei remember it, yet that mã +taketh <span class = "pagenum">|</span>greater delight +in the sight of it whiche hath +more loue vnto the maker therof, in like maner as, he more +chearfully wyll behold the element whiche aspireth towarde +the eternall life.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> Your saiynges are muche like +too bee true.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> Nowe the pleasures of feastes +dooeth not consist in the delicates of the mouth, nor in the +good sauces of cookes, but in health of body and appetite of +stomacke. You may not thynke that any delicious person +suppeth more pleasauntly hauyng before hym partriches, +turtelles, leuerettes, bekers, sturgeon, and lamprayes: then +a vertuous man hauyng nothîg too eat, but onely bread +potage, or wortes: and nothyng +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>too drynke, but water, +single bere, or wyne well alayde, be cause he taketh these +thinges as prepared of God vnto all lyuyng creatures, and +that they bee now yeouê vnto him of his gentyll and +mercifull father, praier maketh euery thyng too sauour well. +The petition in y<sup>e</sup> begynnyng of dyner sanctifieth all +thynges and in a while after there is recited some holy +lesson of the woorde of God: whiche more refresheth the +minde, then meate the body, and grace after all this. +Finally he riseth from the table, not ful: but recreated, +not laden, but refreshed: yea, refreshed both in spirit and +bodie, thynke you that any chief deuiser of these muche vsed +bãkets, & +<span class = "pagenum">|</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword spelled 'deyntie'">deintye</ins> delicaces fareth nowe more +deliciously?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPudeus.</span> But in +<span class = "roman">Venus</span> there is +greate delectacions if we beleue <span class = "roman">Arestotell</span>.<br> +<span class = "speaker">Hed.</span> And in this behalfe the vertuous +manne far excelleth as well as in good fare, wiegh you now the matter +as it is, the better a manne loueth his wife, the more he +delecteth in the good felowship and familiaritie that is +betwene theim after the course of nature. Furthermore, no +menne louê their wiues more vehemêtly then thei that loue +theim euê soo, as Christ loued the churche. For thei that +loue thê for the desire of bodely pleasure, loue thê not. +More ouer, the seldomer any man dooeth accompany with his +wife, the greater pleasure, it +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>is to hym afterwarde, +and that thyng the wãtõ poete knew full well whiche writeth, +rare and seldome vse stereth vp pleasures. Albeit, the lest +parte of pleasure is in the familiare company betwene theim. +There is forsothe far greater in the continuall leadyng of +their liues too gether, whiche emongest none can be so +plesaunt as those that loue syncerely and faithfully +together in godly and christian loue, and loue a like one +the other. In the other sort, oftê whêthe pleasure of y<sup>e</sup> +body decaieth & waxeth old loue waxeth coold & is sone +forgottõ, but emõgest right christê mê, the more y<sup>e</sup> the +lust of y<sup>e</sup> flesh decreaseth & vanisheth away, +y<sup>e</sup> more thê al godly loue encreseth +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>Are you not yet perswaded +that none lyue more pleasauntly thê they whiche liue +continually in vertue and true religiõ of god?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> +Would god all men were as well perswaded in that thyng.<br> +<span class = "speaker">He.</span> And if they bee Epicures y<sup>t</sup> +lyue pleasauntli: +none bee righter Epicures then they that liue vertuously, +and if we wyll that euery thyng haue it right name none +deserueth more y<sup>e</sup> cogname of an Epicure, then that Prince +of all godly wisedome too whõ most reuerêtly we ought +alwaies too praye: for in the greeke tonge an Epicure +signifieth an helper. Nowe whan the lawe of nature was first +corrupted with sinne, whê the law of Moses did rather +prouoke euil desires +<span class = "pagenum">F.i.</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "text reads 'thê|then remedy'">then remedy</ins> them. Whã the +tyraunte Sathanas reygned in this worlde freely and wythout +punishement, then thys prynce onely, dyd sodenlye helpe +mankynde redy to perishe: wherfore thei erre shamefully +which scoff and bable that <span class = "roman">CHRIST</span> was one that was +sadd and of a malancolye nature, & that he hath prouoked vs +vnto an vnpleasaunt kynde of lyfe, for onely he did shewe a +kind of liuing most godly and fullest of al true pleasure, +if we might haue the stone of <span class = "roman">Tantalus</span> +taken awaye from vs.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVD.</span> What darke saiyng is this?<br> +<span class = "speaker">EDO.</span> It is a mery tale too laugh at, +but this bourd induceth verye graue and sadde thynges.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> I tary too heare +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>this mery conceite, +that you name too bee so sage a matter.<br> +<span class = "speaker">H.</span> Thei whiche gaue their studye and +diligence to colour and <ins class = "correction" +title = "text reads 'set-/furth'">set furth</ins> the preceptes of +Philosophie wyth subtil fables, declare y<sup>t</sup> there was one +<span class = "roman">Tantalus</span> broughte vnto the table of the +goddes, whych was euer furnished wyth all good fare, and most nete and +sumptuous that myght bee, whan thys straunger shoulde take +hys leave, Iupyter thought it was for his great liberalitie +and highe renoume, that his guest shuld not depart wythout +some rewarde, he wylled him therfore too aske what he +woulde, and he shoulde haue it: <span class = "roman">Tantalus</span> (forsooth) +lyke a verye leude and foolyshe person, +<span class = "pagenum">F.ii.</span>for that he +sette all the felicitie and pleasure of man in the +delectation of the bely, and glotonye, desired but only too +sytte at suche a table all the dayes of hys life, Iupiter +graunted him his desire, and shortly his vow was there +stablished and ratifyed. <span class = "roman">Tantalus</span> nowe sytteth +at the table furnyshed wyth all kindes of delicates, such drinke as +the goddes druncke of was set on the table, and there wanted +no rooses nor odours that could yeoue any swete smel before +the Goddes, <span class = "roman">Ganymedes</span> the buttler or one lyke vnto +hym, standeth euer redye, the <span class = "roman">Muses</span> stande rounde +aboute syngyng pleasauntly, mery <span class = "roman">Silenus</span> +daunseth, ne ther wanted noo fooles +<span class = "pagenum">|</span>too laugh at, and breuely, +<ins class = "correction" title = "text reads 'there/there was'">there +was</ins> euerye thynge that coulde delyght any sence of mã +but emongist all these, <span class = "roman">Tantalus</span> sytteth all sadde, +syghyng, and vnquiet with hym selfe, neither laughing nor +yet touching such thynges as were set before hym<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDE.</span> What was the cause?<br> +<span class = "speaker">HED.</span> Over his head +as he sate there hãged by an heere a great stone euer lyke +too fall.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPV.</span> I woulde then haue conueied my selfe +from suche a table.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO</span> But his vowe had bound hym +too the contrarye, for Iupyter is not so easye too intreate +as oure <span class = "roman">GOD</span>, which dooeth vnloose the pernitious +vowes of menne, that bee made contrary vnto his holy woord, +if thei bee +<span class = "pagenum">F.iii.</span>penitent and sorye therfore, or elles +it myght bee thus, the same stoone that woulde not suffer +hym too eate, would neither suffer hym to ryse, for if he +had but ones moued he shuld haue been quashed al in peeses +with the fall thereof.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDE.</span> You haue shewed a very +mery fable<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDON.</span> But nowe heare that thing, which +you wil not laugh at: the commune people seeke too haue a +pleasaunt life in outwarde thynges, where as noothyng can +yeoue that, but onely a constant and a quiet mind: for +surely a far heuier stone hangeth ouer these y<sup>t</sup> grudge +with them selues, then hanged ouer <span class = "roman">Tantalus</span>: +it only hangeth not ouer them, but greueth and +op<span class = "pagenum">|</span>presseth the +mynde, ne the mind is not troubled wyth any vayn hoope, but +looketh euery houre to bee caste in too the paynes of hell, +I praye you what can bee so pleasaunt emongist all thinges +that bee yeouen vnto man, that coulde reioyse the mynde, +whyche were oppressed wyth suche a stoone?<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDE.</span> +Truely there is nothyng but madnes, or elles incredulitie.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> Yf younge menne woulde weygh these thynges, +that bee quyckly prouoked and entised with pleasure as it +were wyth the cuppe of <span class = "roman">Circes</span>, whiche in steade of +theyr greatest pleasures receiue poysone myxte with honye. +Howe circumspecte would they bee too doo anye thynge +vnad<span class = "pagenum">F.iiii</span>uisedly +y<sup>t</sup> shoulde grudge their mindes +afterward? What thinge is it that thei would not doo too +haue suche a godly treasure in store against their latter +daies? that is a minde knowyng it selfe cleane & honest and +a name that hath not been defiled at any time. But what +thyng now is more miserable then is agee? Whan it beholdeth, +and loketh backward on thinges y<sup>t</sup> be past seeth plainly +with great grudg of conscience howe fayre thynges he hathe +despiced and sette lyght by, (that is, howe farre he hath +discented and gone astray from the promyses made vnto God in +baptime) & agayn, how foule & noughty thîges he hath clipped +and enbraced, and whã +<span class = "pagenum">|</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword spelled 'he'">hee</ins> looketh forwarde, hee seeth +then the daye of iudgemente drawe neere, and shortely after +the eternall punyshemente of of hell.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDE.</span> I esteme +theim most happie whych haue neuer defyled theyr youthe, but +euer haue increased in vertu, til thei haue coomne vnto the +last puincte of age.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> Next them thei ar too bee +commended that haue wythdrawne theim selues from the folie +of youth in tyme.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SPVDE.</span> But what councel wil you +yeoue agee that is in suche great myserie.<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDO.</span> No +man shoulde dispayre so long as life endureth, I wyl exhorte +him to flee for helpe vnto the infinitie mercye & gentilnes +of God.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> But the longer y<sup>t</sup> +he hath liued <span class = "pagenum">|</span>the heape of his synnes +hath euer waxen greate and greater, so that nowe it passeth the nomber +of the sandes in the sea,<br> +<span class = "speaker">H.</span> But the mercies of our lord far excede +those sãdes, for although the sande can not bee numbred of +manne, yet hit hath an ende, but the mercie of God neither +knoweth ende, ne measure.<br> +<span class = "speaker">SP.</span> Yea but he hath no +space that shall dye by and by,<br> +<span class = "speaker">HEDONI.</span> The lesse +tyme he hath the more feruêtly he should cal vnto god for +grace, that thyng is long inough before God, whiche is of +suche power as too ascende from the yearth vnto heauê, for a +short prayer forsoth streght entreth heauê, if it bee made +with a vehemêt spirit. It is written, y<sup>t</sup> +<span class = "pagenum">|</span><ins class = "correction" +title = "catchword spelled 'the'">y<sup>e</sup></ins> womã +synner spoken of in the gospell did penaunce al her life +dayes: but with how fewe wordes again did the thief obtain +Paradise in the houre of death? If he will crye with hearte +and mynde, God haue mercie on me after thy great mercie:</p> + +<p align = "center">God +wil take awaye from hym <span class = "roman">Tantalus</span> stone<br> +and yeoue in his hea-<br> +ryng ioye and cõfort<br> +and his bones hu-<br> +miled throughe <br> +cõtrition, wil<br> +reioyse<br> +that<br> +he<br> +hath his synnes<br> +foryeouen<br> +hym.<br> +<br> +<span class = "headline2">FINIS.</span></p> +<hr> +<span class = "pagenum">|</span> +<br> +<p align = "center"><span class = "italics">Imprinted at London within the<br> +precinct of the late dissolued house<br> +of the gray Friers, by Richarde<br> +Grafton, Printer too the<br> +Princes grace.<br> +the. XXIX.<br> +daie of Iuly, the yere<br> +of our Lorde.<br> +M.D.XLV.</span></p> +<br> +<hr> +<hr> + + + + + + + +<pre> + + + + + +End of the Project Gutenberg EBook of A Very Pleasaunt & Fruitful Diologe +Called the Epicure, by Desiderius Erasmus + +*** END OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK A VERY PLEASAUNT & FRUITFUL *** + +***** This file should be named 16246-h.htm or 16246-h.zip ***** +This and all associated files of various formats will be found in: + https://www.gutenberg.org/1/6/2/4/16246/ + +Produced by David Starner, Louise Hope and the Online +Distributed Proofreading Team at https://www.pgdp.net. + + +Updated editions will replace the previous one--the old editions +will be renamed. + +Creating the works from public domain print editions means that no +one owns a United States copyright in these works, so the Foundation +(and you!) can copy and distribute it in the United States without +permission and without paying copyright royalties. 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