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+*** START OF THE PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK 14500 ***
+
+[Transcriber's note: The original text has no page
+numbers. Page breaks have been marked with double
+lines || like this. Three apparent typographic errors
+were corrected and are listed at the end of this
+text. All other spelling and punctuation are as in
+the original.]
+
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+
+                [C]Two dyaloges
+                wrytten in laten
+         by the famous clerke. D. Eras-
+         mus of Roterodame/ one called
+          Polyphemus or the gospeller/
+         the other dysposyng of thynges
+             and names/ translated
+               in to Englyshe by
+                    Edmonde
+                     Becke.
+           And prynted at Cantorbury
+            in saynt Paules paryshe
+                by Johñ Mychell.
+                      [+]
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+
+           The preface to the Reader.
+
+  Lucius Anneus Seneca amonge many other pratie
+  saienges (gentle reder) hathe this also, whiche in
+  my iudgement is as trew as it is wittie. Rogãdo
+  cogit qui rogat superior. And in effecte is thus
+  moch to say, yf a mãnes superior or his better
+  desyre any thige, he might aswell cõmãde it by
+  authoritie as ones to desyre it.
+
+  A gentleman a nere cosyn of myne, but moch nerer
+  in fryndshyp, eftesones dyd instant and moue me to
+  translate these two dyaloges folowynge, to whose
+  getlenes I am so moch obliged, indetted and
+  bounde, that he myght well haue cõmaunded me to
+  this and more paynes: to whome I do not onely owe
+  seruyce, but my selfe also. And in accõplysshynge
+  of his most honest request (partly by cause I
+  wolde not the moost inhumane fawte of Ingratitude
+  shuld wor||thely be imputed to me, & that I
+  might in this thynge also (accordynge to my
+  bounden dutie) gratifie my frende) I haue hassard
+  my selfe in these daungerous dayes, where many
+  are so capcyous, some prone and redy to malygne &
+  depraue, and fewe whose eares are not so
+  festidious, tendre, and redy to please, that in
+  very tryfles & thynges of small importaunce, yet
+  exacte dylygence and exquisite iudgement is loked
+  for and requyred, of them whiche at this present
+  wyll attempte to translate any boke be it that the
+  matter be neuer so base. But what diligence I have
+  enployed in the translaciõ hereof I referre it to
+  the iudgement of the lerned sort, whiche cõferynge
+  my translacion with the laten dyaloges, I dowte
+  not wyl condone and pardone my boldnesse, in that
+  that I chalenge the semblable lybertie whiche the
+  translatours of this tyme iustlie chalenge. For
+  some heretofore submytting them selfe to
+  seruytude, haue lytle ||respecte to the
+  obseruaciõ of the thyng which in translacyõ is of
+  all other most necessary and requisite, that is to
+  saye, to rendre the sence & the very meanyng of
+  the author, not so relygyouslie addicte to
+  translate worde for worde, for so the sence of the
+  author is oftentimes corrupted & depraued, and
+  neyther the grace of the one tonge nor yet of the
+  other is truely observed or aptlie expressed. The
+  lerned knoweth that euery tonge hathe his peculyer
+  proprietie, phrase, maner of locucion, enargies
+  and vehemêcie, which so aptlie in any other tõg
+  can not be expressed. Yf I shal perceyue this my
+  symple doinge to be thankefully taken, and in good
+  parte accepted, it shall encorage me hereafter to
+  attempte the translaciõ of some bokes dysposing of
+  matters bothe delectable, frutefull, & expedient
+  to be knowen, by the grace of God, who gyuynge me
+  quyetnes of mynde, lybertie, and abylytie, shall
+  not desyste to communicat the frute of my
+  ||spare howers, to such as are not lerned in
+  the laten tonge: to whome I dedycat the fyrste
+  frutes of this my symple translacyon.
+
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+          A declaracion of the names.
+
+        Poliphemus sygnifieth, valyant
+      or noble, and in an other sygnifi-
+   cacion, talcatyfe or clybbe of tong. The
+      name of a Gyant called Cyclops, ha-
+     uynge but one eye in his forhed, of a
+     huge stature and a myghtie personage.
+    And is aplyed here to sygnifie a great
+     freke or a lubber, as this Poliphemus
+      was, whiche beynge a man of warre or
+     a courtyer, had a newe testament in his
+       hande, and loked buselie for some
+        sentence or text of scrypture
+              and that Cannius his
+                companyõ espyed
+                  and sayd to
+                   hî as fo-
+                    loweth.
+
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+  [C]The parsons names are Cannius and Poliphemus.
+
+  Cannius. what hunt Polipheme for here? Poliphemus.
+  Aske ye what I hunt for here, and yet ye se me
+  haue neyther dogges, dart, Jauelyn, nor huntyng
+  staffe. Cannius. Paraduenture ye hunt after some
+  praty nymphe of the couert. Poliphemus. By my
+  trouth and well coniectured, be holde what a
+  goodly pursenet, or a hay I haue here in my hande.
+  Cannius. Benedicite, what a straunge syght is
+  this, me thinke I se Bachus in a lyons skin,
+  Poliphemus with a boke in his hande. This is a
+  dogge in a doblet, a sowe with a sadle, of all
+  that euer I se it is a non decet. Poliphe. I haue
+  not onely paynted and garnyshed my boke with
+  saffron, but also I haue lymmed it withe Sinople,
+  asaphetida, redleed, vermilõ, and byse. Can. It is
+  a warlyke boke, for it is furnished with knottes,
+  tassils ||plates, claspes, and brasen bullyons.
+  Poliphe. Take the boke in your hand and loke
+  within it. Canni. I se it wery well. Truly it
+  is a praty boke, but me thynkes ye haue not yet
+  trymmed it sufficiently for all your cost ye have
+  bestowed upon it. Poliphe. Why what lackes  it?
+  Canni. Thou shuldest haue set thyne armes upon it.
+  Poliphemus. what armes I beseche the? Cãnius. Mary
+  the heed of Silenus, an olde iolthed drunkard
+  totynge out of a hoggeshed or a tunne, but in good
+  ernest, wherof dothe your boke dyspose or
+  intreate? dothe it teache the art and crafte to
+  drynke a duetaunt? Poli. Take hede in goddes name
+  what ye say lest ye bolt out a blasphemie before
+  ye be ware. Cãnius. why bydde ye me take hede what
+  I saye? is there any holy matter in the boke?
+  Poli. what mã it is the gospell boke, I trow there
+  is nothynge can be more holye. Cannius. God for
+  thy grace what hathe Poliphemus to do withe the
+  gospell? ||Poli. Nay why do ye not aske what a
+  chrysten man hathe to do with christe? Cannius.
+  I can not tell but me thynkes a rousty byll or a
+  halbard wold become such a great lubber or a
+  slouyn as thou arte a great deale better, for yf
+  it were my chaûce to mete such one and knewe
+  him not upon seeborde, and he loked so lyke a
+  knaue and a ruffyã as thou dost I wolde take hym
+  for a pirate or a rouer upon the see/ and if I met
+  such one in the wood for an arrante thefe, and a
+  man murderer. Poli. yea good syr but the gospell
+  teache vs this same lesson, that we shuld not
+  iudge any person by his loke or by his externall &
+  outwarde apparaunce. For lyke wyse as many tymes
+  vnder a graye freers coote a tyrannous mynde lyeth
+  secretly hyd, eue so a polled heed, a crispe or a
+  twyrled berde, a frowninge, a ferse, or a dogged
+  loke, a cappe, or a hat with an oystrich fether, a
+  soldyers cassocke, a payre of hoose all to cut and
+  manglyd, may co||uer an euangelycall mynde.
+  Cannius. why not, mary God forbyd elles, yea &
+  many tymes a symple shepe lyeth hyd in a wolfes
+  skynne, and yf a man maye credite and beleue the
+  fables of Aesope, an asse maye lye secretely
+  unknowen by cause he is in a lyons skynne.
+  Poliphe. Naye I knowe hym whiche bereth a shepe
+  vpon his heed, and a sore in his brest, to whome I
+  wold wysshe with al my hart that he had as whyte
+  and as fauorable frendes as he hathe blacke eyes.
+  And I wolde wisshe also that he were as well guylt
+  ouer and ouer as he hathe a colour mete to take
+  guyltynge. Canni. Yf ye take hym to were a shepe
+  vpon his heed, that weareth a cappe of woll, howe
+  greuously than art thou lodyn, or what an
+  excedynge heuy burdê bearest thou then I praye the
+  whiche bearest a hoole shepe and an ostryche to
+  vpon thy heed? But what saye ye to hî doth not
+  he more folyssly which beareth a byrd vpon his
+  heed, and an asse in his ||brest. Poliphemus.
+  There ye nypped & taunted me in dede. Cannius. But
+  I wolde saye this geere dyd wonderous wel yf this
+  gospel boke dyd so adourne the with vertue as thou
+  hast adourned lymmed, and gorgiously garnysshed it
+  with many gay goodly glystryng ornamentes. Mary
+  syr thou hast set it forth in his ryght colours in
+  dede, wolde to god it might so adourne the with
+  good cõdiciõs that thou myghtest ones lerne to be
+  an honest man. Poli. There shall be no defaute in
+  me, I tell you I wyll do my diligence. Can. Naye
+  there is no doute of that, there shall be no more
+  faute in you now I dare say then was wonte to be.
+  Poli. Yea but (youre tarte tauntes, and youre
+  churlysshe checkes, and raylynges set asyde) tell
+  me I pray the this one thynge, do you thus
+  disprayse, condempne, or fynde faute with them
+  whiche caryeth aboute with them the newe testament
+  or the gospel boke? Canni. No by my fayth do I not
+  good ||praty man. Poliphe. Call ye me but a
+  praty one and I am hygher then you by ye length
+  of a good asses heed. Can. I thynke not fully so
+  moche yf the asse stretch forth his eares, but go
+  to it skyllis no matter of that, let it passe, he
+  that bare Christ vpon his backe was called
+  Christofer, and thou whiche bearest the gospell
+  boke aboute with the shall for Poliphemus be
+  called the gospeller or the gospell bearer. Polip.
+  Do not you counte it an holy thynge to cary aboute
+  with a man the newe testament? Cãni. why no syr by
+  my trouth do I not, except thou graunte the very
+  asses to be holy to. Poli. How can an asse be
+  holy? Cannius. For one asse alone is able to beare
+  thre hundreth suche bokes, and I thynke suche a
+  great lubber as thou art were stronge inoughe to
+  beare as great a burden, and yf thou had a hansome
+  packesadle sette vpon thy backe. Poliphe. And yet
+  for all your iestynge it is not agaynst good
+  reason to saye ||that ye asse was holy which
+  bore christ. Cannius. I do not enuye you man for
+  this holynes for I had as lefe you had that
+  holynes as I, and yf it please you to take it I
+  wyll geue you an holy & a religious relyke of the
+  selfe same asse whiche christ rode vpon, and whan
+  ye haue it ye may kysse it lycke it and cull it as
+  ofte as ye lyst. Poli. Mary syr I thanke you, ye
+  can not gyue me a more thanckefull gyfte nor do me
+  a greatter pleasure, for that asse withouten any
+  tayle was made as holye as any asse could be by
+  the touchynge of christes body. Cannius. Undouted
+  they touched christes body also whiche stroke and
+  buffeted christ. Poliphe. yea but tell me this one
+  thynge I praye the in good ernest. Is it not a
+  great sygne of holynes in a man to cary aboute the
+  gospel boke or the newe testament? Cannius. It is
+  a token of holynes in dede if it be done without
+  hypocrysie, I meane if it be done without
+  dissimulacion/ and for ||that end, intent &
+  purpose, that it shuld be done for. Poliphe. What
+  the deuyl & a morten tellest thou a man of warre
+  of hypocrisie, away with hypocrisie to the monkes
+  and the freers. Cannius. Yea but bycause ye saye
+  so, tell me fyrste I praye you what ye call
+  hypocrisie. Po. When a man pretendis another thyng
+  outwardly then he meanis secretly in his mynde.
+  Cannius. But what dothe the bearynge aboute of the
+  newe testament sygnyfie. Dothe it not betoken that
+  thy lyfe shulde be conformable to the gospell
+  which thou carryest aboute with the. Poli.
+  I thynke well it dothe. Cannius. Wel then when thy
+  lyfe is not conformable to the boke, is not that
+  playne hypocrisie. Poliph. Tell me thê  what you
+  call the trewe carienge of the gospell boke aboute
+  with a man. Cãni. Sõme men beare it aboute with
+  them in theyr hãdes (as the gray freers were wonte
+  to beare the rule of saynt Fraunces) and so the
+  porters of Londõ, Asses ||& horses may beare
+  it as well as they. And there be some other that
+  carry the gospel in theyr mouthes onlie, and such
+  haue no other talke but al of christ and his
+  gospell, and that is a very poynt of a pharysey.
+  And some other carrye it in theyr myndes. But in
+  myne opynion he beares the gospell boke as he
+  shuld do whiche bothe beares it in his hande,
+  cõmunes of it with his mouth whan occasyon of
+  edyfyenge of his neyghboure whan conuenyent
+  oportunytie is mynystred to him, and also beares
+  it in his mynde and thynkes vpon it withe his
+  harte. Poli. Yea thou art a mery felow, where
+  shall a man fynde suche blacke swãnes? Cannius. In
+  euery cathedrall church, where there be any
+  deacons, for they beare the gospel boke î theyr
+  hãde, they synge the gospell aloude, somtyme in a
+  lofte that the people may heare thê, althoughe
+  they do not vnderstand it, and theyr myndes are
+  vpõ it when they synge it. Polphe. And yet for all
+  your ||sayenge all suche deacons are no saynttes
+  that beare the gospell so in theyr myndes.
+  Cannius. But lest ye play the subtyle and
+  capcious sophystryar with me I wyll tell you this
+  one thynge before. No man can beare the gospell in
+  his mynde but he must nedes loue it from the
+  bothum of his harte, no man loueth it inwardly and
+  from the bothû of his harte but he must nedes
+  declare and expresse the gospell in his lyuinge,
+  outwarde maners, & behauour. Poli. I can not skyll
+  of youre subtyle reasonynges, ye are to fyne for
+  me. Can. Thê I wyll commune with you after a
+  grosser maner, and more playnly. yf thou dyddest
+  beare a tankard of good Reynyshe wyne vpon thy
+  shulders onelye, what other thynge were it to the
+  then a burden. Poliphe. It were none other thynge
+  truly, it is no great pleasure so beare wyne.
+  Cannius. What and yf thou dranke asmoche as thou
+  coudest well holde in thy mouthe, after the manner
+  of ||a gargarisme & spyt it out agayne. Po.
+  That wolde do me no good at all, but take me not
+  with suche a faute I trow, for the wyne is very
+  bad and if I do so. Canni. But what and yf thou
+  drynke thy skynne full as thou art wont to do, whê
+  thou comest where good wyne is. Poliphe. Mary
+  there is nothyng more godly or heuynly. Cannius.
+  It warmes you at the stomacke, it settes your body
+  in a heate, it makes you loke with a  ruddy face,
+  and setteth your hart vpon a mery pynne. Poliphe.
+  That is suerly so as ye saye in dede. Canni. The
+  gospell is suche a lyke thynge of all this worlde,
+  for after that it hathe ones persed & entered in
+  the veynes of the mynd it altereth, transposeth,
+  and cleane changeth vpsodowne the whole state of
+  mã, and chaungeth hym cleane as it were into a
+  nother man. Polip. Ah ha, nowe I wot wherabout ye
+  be, belyke ye thîke that I lyue not accordynge to
+  the gospell or as a good gospeller shulde do.
+  ||Cannius. There is no man can dyssolue this
+  questiõ better then thy selfe. Poli. Call ye it
+  dissoluynge? Naye and yf a thynge come to
+  dyssoluynge gyue me a good sharpe axe in my hande
+  and I trow I shall dyssolue it well inoughe.
+  Canni. What woldest thou do, I praye the, and yf a
+  man shulde say to thy teth thou lyest falsely, or
+  elles call the by thy ryght name knaue in
+  englysshe. Poli. What wolde I do quod he, that is
+  a question in dede, mary he shulde feele the
+  wayghte of a payre of churlyshe fystes I warrant
+  the. Canni. And what and yf a man gaue you a good
+  cuffe vpon the eare that shulde waye a pounde?
+  Poliphe. It were a well geuen blowe that wolde
+  aduauntage hym. xx. by my trouthe and he escaped
+  so he myght say he rose vpon his ryght syde, but
+  it were maruayle & I cut not of his head harde by
+  his shulders. Canni. Yea but good felowe thy
+  gospell boke teacheth the to geue gentle answers,
+  and fayre wordes ||agayne for fowle, and to
+  hym that geueth the a blowe vpon the ryght cheke
+  to holde forth the lyfte. Poliphe. I do remembre I
+  haue red suche a thinge in my boke, but ye must
+  pardone me for I had quyte forgotten it. Can. Well
+  go to, what saye ye to prayer I suppose ye praye
+  very ofte. Poli. That is euyn as very a touche of
+  a pharesey as any can be. Cannius. I graunt it is
+  no lesse thê a poynte of a pharesey to praye longe
+  and faynedly vnder a colour or pretêce of holynes,
+  that is to saye when a man prayeth not frõ the
+  bothum of his hart but with the lyppes only and
+  from the tethe outward, and that in opyn places
+  where great resort of people is, bycause they wold
+  be sene. But thy gospel boke teacheth the to praye
+  contynually, but so that thy prayer come from the
+  bothu of the hart. Poli. Yea but yet for all my
+  sayenge I praye sumtyme. Can. When I beseche the
+  when ye art a slepe? Poli. When it cometh in to
+  my mynde, ones ||or twyse may chaunce in a weke.
+  Can. what prayer sayst thou? Poliphe. The lordes
+  prayer, the Pater noster. Canni. Howe many tymes
+  ouer? Poli. Onis, & I trowe it is often inoughe,
+  for the gospell forbyddeth often repetynge of
+  one thynge. Canni. Can ye saye your pater noster
+  through to an ende & haue youre mynde runnynge
+  vpon nothynge elles in all that whyle? Poli.
+  By my trouthe and ye wyll beleue me I neuer yet
+  assayed nor proued whether I coulde do it or no.
+  But is it not sufficient to saye it with my
+  mouthe? Can. I can not tell whether it be or
+  no. But I am sure god here vs not excepte we praye
+  from the bothum of our harte. But tell me another
+  thyng I wyll aske the. Doest thou not fast very
+  often? Poli. No neuer in all my lyfe tyme and yf
+  it were not for lacke of meate. Can. And yet thy
+  boke alowes and commendes hyghly bothe fastynge
+  and prayer. Polip. So coulde I alowe them but that
+  my belly can ||not well affare nor a way with
+  fastyng. Cannius. Yea but Paule sayth they are not
+  the seruauntes of Iesus Christe whiche serue theyr
+  belly & make it theyr god. Do you eate fleshe
+  euery day? Po. No neuer when I haue none to eate,
+  but I neuer refuse it when it is set before me,
+  and I neuer aske question not for cõscience but
+  for my belly sake. Can. Yea but these stronge
+  sturdy sydes of suche a chuffe and a lobbynge
+  lobye as thou arte wolde be fed well inoughe with
+  haye and barke of trees. Poliphe. Yea but chryste
+  sayd, that which entereth in at the mouthe
+  defyleth not the man. Canni. That is to be
+  vnderstand thus yf it be measurably taken, and
+  without the offendinge of our christian brother.
+  But Paule the disciple of chryst had rather
+  peryshe & sterue with hunger then onys to offende
+  his weyke brothren with his eatynge, and he
+  exhorteth vs to followe his example that in all
+  thynges we maye please all men. Poli. What tel
+  ||ye me of Paule, Paule is Paule and I am I.
+  Cannius. Do you gladly helpe to releue the poore
+  and the indygent with your goodes? Poli. Howe can
+  I helpe them whiche haue nothynge to gyue them,
+  and scant inoughe for my selfe. Cannius. ye myght
+  spare somthynge to helpe thê with yf thou woldest
+  playe the good husband in lyuynge more warely, in
+  moderatynge thy superfluous expenses, and in
+  fallynge to thy worke lustely. Poliphemus. Nay
+  then I were a fole in dede, a penyworth of ease is
+  euer worth a peny, and nowe I haue found so moch
+  pleasure in ease that I can not fall to no labour.
+  Canni. Do you kepe the commaundementes of god?
+  Polip. Nowe ye appose me, kepe the cõmaundementes
+  quod he, that is a payne in dede. Cannius. Art
+  thou sory for thy synnes and thyne offences, doest
+  thou ernestly repent the for thê. Poliphemus.
+  Christ hath payed the raunsome of synne and
+  satisfied for it alredy. Cannius. Howe ||prouest
+  thou then that thou louest the gospell and
+  fauoris the word of god as thou bearest men in
+  hande thou doest. Poliphemus. I wyll tell you that
+  by & by, and I dare saye you wyl confesse no
+  lesse your selfe then that I am an ernest
+  fauorer of the worde then I haue told you ye
+  tale. There was a certayne gray frere of the
+  order of saynt Fraunces with vs whiche neuer
+  ceased to bable and rayle agaynste the newe
+  testament of Erasmus, I chaunsed to talke with the
+  gêtylman pryuatly where no man was present but he
+  and I, and after I had communed awhyle with hym I
+  caught my frere by the polled pate with my left
+  hande and with my right hãde I drew out my daggar
+  and I pomelled the knaue frere welfauardly aboute
+  his skonce that I made his face as swollen and as
+  puffed as a puddynge. Cannius. what a tale is
+  this that thou tellest me. Poliphemus. How say you
+  is not this a good and a sufficient proue that I
+  fa||uer the gospell. I gaue hym absolucion afore
+  he departed out of my handes with this newe
+  testament thryse layde vpon his pate as harde as I
+  myght dryue yt I made thre bunches in his heed
+  as bygge as thre egges in the name of the father,
+  the sone, & the holy goost. Can. Now by my trouth
+  this was well done & lyke a ryght gospeller of
+  these dayes. Truly this is as they saye to
+  dyffende the gospell with the gospell. Poliphe.
+  I met another graye frere of the same curryshe
+  couent, that knaue neuer had done in raylynge
+  agaynst Erasmus, so sone as I had espyed hym I was
+  styrred and moued with the brenninge zele of the
+  gospell that in thretenyng of him I made hym knele
+  downe vpon his knees and crye Erasmus mercie and
+  desyred me to forgyue hym, I may saye to you it
+  was hyghe tyme for hym to fall downe vpon his
+  marybones, and yf he had not done it by and by I
+  had my hal||barde vp redy to haue gyuen hym
+  betwyxt the necke and the heade, I loked as grymme
+  as modie Mars when he is in furyous fume, it is
+  trewe that I tell you, for there was inoughe sawe
+  the frere and me yf I wolde make a lye. Cannius.
+  I maruayle the frere was not out of his wyt. But
+  to retourne to oure purpose agayne, dost thou lyue
+  chastly? Poliphemus. Peraduenture I maye do here
+  after when I am more stryken in age. But shall I
+  confesse the trouthe to the? Canni. I am no preest
+  man, therfore yf thou wylt be shryuen thou must
+  seke a preest to whome thou maye be lawfully
+  confessed. Poliphe. I am wont styl to cõfesse my
+  selfe to god, but I wyl confesse thus moche to the
+  at this tyme I am not yet become a perfyte
+  gospeller or an euangelical man, for I am but yet
+  as it were one of ye cõmune people, ye knowe wel
+  perde we gospellers haue iiii. gospels wrytten by
+  the .iiii. euange||lystes, & suche gospellers
+  as I am hunt busely, and chefely for .iiii.
+  thynges that we may haue. Unde. to prouyde dayntie
+  fare for the bellie, that nothynge be lackynge to
+  that parte of the body whiche nature hath placed
+  vnder the belly, ye wote what I meane, and to
+  obtayne and procure suche liuinge that we may lyue
+  welthely and at pleasure without carke & care. And
+  fynally that we maye do what we lyst without
+  checke or controlment, yf we gospellars lacke none
+  of all these thynges we crye and synge for ioye,
+  amonge our ful cuppes Io Io we tryumphe and are
+  wonderfull frolycke, we synge and make as mery as
+  cup and can, and saye the gospell is a lyue agayne
+  Chryst rayneth. Cannius. This is a lyfe for an
+  Epycure or a god belly and for no euangelicall
+  persone that professeth the gospell. Poli. I denye
+  not but that it is so as ye saye, but ye knowe
+  well that god is omnipotent and can do al thynges,
+  he can turne vs ||whê his wyll is sodenly in
+  to other maner of men. Cannius. So can he
+  transforme you in to hogges and swyne, the whiche
+  maye soner be done I iudge thê to chaunge you into
+  good men for ye are halfe swynyshe & hoggyshe
+  alredy, your lyuynge is so beastlie. Poliphe.
+  Holde thy peas mã wolde to god there were no men
+  that dyd more hurt in the world then swyne,
+  bullockes, asses, and camelles. A mã may se many
+  men now adayes more crueller then lyons, more
+  rauenynge thê wolues, more lecherous then sparous,
+  and that byte worse then mad dogges, more noysom
+  thê snakes, vepers and adders. Cannius. But nowe
+  good Polipheme remembre and loke vpon thy selfe
+  for it is hyghe tyme for the to laye a syde thy
+  beastly lyuynge, and to be tourned from a brute
+  and a sauage beast in to a man. Poliphemus. I
+  thanke you good neyghbour Cannius for by saynt
+  Mary I thynke your counsayle is good/for the
+  prophetes of this ||tyme sayth the worlde is
+  almost at an end, and we shall haue domes daye
+  (as they call it) shortely. Cannius. We haue
+  therfore more nede to prepare our selues in a
+  redines agaynst that day, and that with as moche
+  spede as maye be possible. Poliphemus. as for my
+  part I loke and wayte styll euery day for the
+  myghty hande and power of christ. Cannius. Take
+  hede therfore that thou, when christ shall laye
+  his myghty hande vpon the be as tendre as waxe,
+  that accordynge to his eternall wyll he maye
+  frayme & fashyon the with his hande. But wherby I
+  praye the dothe these prophetes coniecture &
+  gather that the worlde is almost at an ende.
+  Poliphe. Bycause men (they saye) do the selfe same
+  thinge nowe adayes that they dyd, and were wont to
+  do which were lyuynge in the worlde a lytle whyle
+  before the deluge or Noyes floode. They make
+  solempne feastes, they banket, they quaffe, they
+  booll, they bybbe, they ryot men mary, ||wome
+  are maryed, they go a catterwallynge and
+  horehuntinge, they bye, they sell, they lend to
+  vserie, and borowe vpon vserie, they builde, kîges
+  keepe warre one agaynst another, preestes studie
+  howe they maye get many benefyces and promociõs to
+  make them selfe riche and increase theyr worldly
+  substaunce, the diuynes make insolible sillogismus
+  and vnperfyte argumêtes, they gather conclusyons,
+  monkes and freers rûne, at rouers ouer all the
+  world, the comyn people are in a mase or a hurle
+  burle redy to make insurrections, and to conclude
+  breuelie there lackes no euyll miserie nor
+  myschefe, neyther hõger, thyrst fellonie,
+  robberie, warre, pestilence, sediciõ, derth, and
+  great scarsytie and lacke of all good thynges. And
+  howe say you do not all these thynges argue and
+  sufficientlie proue that the worlde is almost at
+  an ende? Cannius. Yea but tell me I praye the of
+  all thes hoole hepe of euyls and miseries whiche
+  greueth the ||moste? Poliphemus. Whiche
+  thynkes thou, tell me thy fansie and coniecture?
+  Cannius. That the Deuyll (god saue vs) maye daunce
+  in thy purse for euer a crosse that thou hast to
+  kepe hî for the. Poliphe. I pray god I dye and yf
+  thou haue not hyt the nayle vpon the head. Now as
+  chaunceth I come newly from a knotte of good
+  companye where we haue dronke harde euery man for
+  his parte, & I am not behynde with myne, and
+  therfore my wytte is not halfe so freshe as it
+  wyll be, I wyll dyspute of the gospell with the
+  whan I am sobre. Canni. When shal I se the sobre?
+  Poli. When I shall be sobre. Cannius. Whê wyll
+  that be? Poliph. When thou shalt se me, in the
+  meane season god be with you gentle Cannius and
+  well mot you do. Cannius. And I wyshe to you a
+  gayne for my parte that thou ware in dede as
+  valiaunt or pusaunt a felowe as thy name soundeth.
+  Poliphe. And bycause ye shall lose nothynge at my
+  ||hande with wyshynge I pray god that Cannius
+  maye neuer lacke a good can or a stoope of wine or
+  bere, wherof he had his name.
+
+                 F  I  N  I  S
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+          [C]The dialoge of thynges
+                  and names.
+
+
+           A declaracion of the names.
+
+         Beatus, is he whiche hathe abun
+        dance of al thinges that is good,
+      and is parfyte in all thynges commen-
+     dable or prayseworthy or to be desyred
+        of a good man. Somtyme it is ta-
+          ken for fortunate, ryche, or
+            noble. Bonifacius, fayre,
+              full of fauor or well
+                    fauored.
+                      [+]
+
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+  [C]The parsons names are Beatus and Bonifacius.
+
+  _Beatus._ God saue you mayster Boniface.
+  _Bonifacius._ God saue you & god saue you agayne
+  gêtle _Beatus._ But I wold god bothe we were such,
+  and so in very dede as we be called by name, that
+  is to say thou riche & I fayre. _Beatus._ Why do
+  you thynke it nothynge worth at al to haue a goodly
+  glorious name. _Bonifacius._ Truely me thynke it is
+  of no valure or lytle good worthe, onles a man
+  haue the thynge itselfe whiche is sygnified by the
+  name. _Beatus._ Yea you maye well thynke your
+  pleasure, but I am assured that the most part of
+  all mortall men be of another mynde. _Bonifa._ It
+  may wel be I do not denye that they are mortal,
+  but suerly I do not byleue that they are me, which
+  are so beastly mynded. _Bea._ Yes good syr and they
+  be men to laye ||your lyfe, onlesse ye thynke
+  camels and asses do walke about vnder the fygure
+  and forme of men. _Boni._ Mary I can soner beleue
+  that then that they be men whiche esteme and passe
+  more vpon the name, then the thynge. _Bea._
+  I graunte in certayne kyndes of thinges moost men
+  had rather haue the thynge then the name, but in
+  many thynges it is otherwyse and cleane cõtrary.
+  _Bo._ I can not well tell what ye meane by that.
+  _Bea._ And yet the example of this matter is
+  apparant or sufficiently declared in vs two. Thou
+  arte called Bonifacius and thou hast in dede the
+  thynge wherby thou bearest thy name. Yet if there
+  were no other remedy but eyther thou must lacke
+  the one or the other, whether had you rather haue
+  a fowle and deformed face or elles for Boniface be
+  called Maleface or horner? _Boni._ Beleue me I had
+  rather be called fowle Thersites then haue a
+  monstrous or a deformyed face, whether I haue a
+  good face or no ||I can not tell. _Bea._ And
+  euen so had I for yf I were ryche and there were
+  no remedy but that I must eyther forgoo my
+  rychesse, or my name I had rather be called Irus
+  whiche was a poore beggers name then lacke my
+  ryches. _Boni._ I agree to you for asmoch as ye
+  speake the trouth, and as you thynke. _Bea._ Iudge
+  all them to be of the same mynde that I am of
+  whiche are indued with helthe or other commodities
+  and qualities appartaynynge to the body. _Boni._
+  That is very trewe. _Bea._ Yea but I praye the
+  cõsyder and marke howe many men we se whiche had
+  rather haue the name of a lerned and a holy man,
+  then to be well lerned, vertuous, & holy in dede.
+  _Boni._ I knowe a good sorte of suche men for my
+  part. _Bea._ Tell me thy fãtasie I pray the do not
+  suche men passe more vpon the name then the
+  thinge? _Boni._ Methynke thy do. _Bea._ Yf we had a
+  logician here whiche could well and clarkelie
+  defyne what were a kynge, what a bysshoppe,
+  ||what a magistrate, what a philosopher is,
+  paduêture we shuld find som amõg these iolly
+  felowes whiche had rather haue the name then the
+  thynge. _Boni._ Surely & so thynke I. Yf he be a
+  kinge whiche by lawe and equyte regardes more the
+  commoditie of his people then his owne lucre/yf he
+  be a bisshop which alwayes is careful for the
+  lordes flocke cõmytted to his pastorall charge/yf
+  he be a magistrate which frankelie and of good
+  wyll dothe make prouysyon, and dothe all thinge
+  for the comyn welthes sake/and yf he be a
+  phylosopher whiche passynge not vpon the goodes of
+  this worlde, only geueth hym selfe to attayn to a
+  good mynde, and to leade a vertuous lyfe. _Bea._
+  Lo thus ye may perseyue what a nombre of semblable
+  exãples ye may collecte & gether. _Boni._ Undouted
+  a great sorte. _Bea._ But I pray the tel me wyll
+  you saye that all these are no men. _Boni._ Nay I
+  feare rather lest in so sayenge it shulde cost vs
+  our lyues, and ||so myght we our selues shortelye
+  be no men. _Bea._ Yf man be a resonable creature,
+  howe ferre dyffers this from all good reason, that
+  in cõmodities apertayning to the body (for so
+  they deserue rather to be called then goodnes) and
+  in outwarde gyftes whiche dame fortune geues and
+  takes awaye at her pleasure, we had rather haue
+  the thynge then the name, and in the true and only
+  goodnes of the mynd we passe more vpon the name
+  then the thynge. _Boni._ So god helpe me it is a
+  corrupte and a preposterours iudgement, yf a man
+  marke and consyder it wel. _Bea._ The selfe same
+  reason is in contrarie thinges. _Boni._ I wolde
+  gladly knowe what ye meane by that. _Bea._ We maye
+  iudge lykewyse the same of the names of thynges to
+  be eschued, and incommodites which was spoken of
+  thynges to be diffyred and cõmodites. _Boni._ Nowe
+  I haue considered the thynges well, it apereth to
+  be euen so as ye saye in dede. __Bea.__ It
+  shulde be ||more feared of a good prynce to be
+  a tyraunt in dede then to haue the name of a
+  tyraunt. And yf an euyll bysshop be a thefe and a
+  robber, then we shulde not so greatly abhorre and
+  hate the name as the thynge. _Boni._ Eyther so it
+  is or so it shuld be. _Bea._ Nowe gather you of the
+  rest as I haue done of the prynce & the bysshop.
+  _Boni._ Me thynkes I vnderstande this gere
+  wonderouse well. _Bea._ Do not all men hate the
+  name of a fole or to be called a moome, a sotte,
+  or an asse? _Boni._ Yeas as moche as they do any
+  one thynge. _Bea._ And how saye you were not he a
+  starke fole that wold fishe with a goldê bayte,
+  that wolde preferre or esteme glasse better then
+  precious stones, or whiche loues his horse or
+  dogges better then his wyfe and his chyldrê?
+  _Boni._ He were as wyse as waltoms calfe, or
+  madder then iacke of Redyng. _Bea._ And be not
+  they as wyse whiche not assygned, chosen, nor yet
+  ones appoynted by the magistrates, but vpon ||theyr
+  owne heed aduenture to runne to the warres for
+  hoope of a lytle gayne, ieoperdynge theyr bodyes
+  and daungerynge theyr soules? Or howe wyse be
+  they which busie thê selfe to get, gleyne, and
+  reepe to gyther, goodes and ryches when they haue
+  a mynde destitute and lackyng all goodness? Are
+  not they also euen as wyse that go gorgyously
+  apparylled, and buyldes goodly sumptuous houses,
+  when theyr myndes are not regarded but neglect
+  fylthye and with all kynde of vyce fowle
+  corrupted? And how wyse are they whiche are
+  carefull diligent and busie, about the helthe of
+  theyr body neglectynge and not myndynge at all
+  theyr soule, in daunger of so many deedly synnes?
+  And fynally to conclude howe wyse be they whiche
+  for a lytle shorte transytorye pleasure of this
+  lyfe deserue euerlastynge tormentes and
+  punyshementes? _Boni._ Euen reason forseth me to
+  graunt that they are more then frãtyke and
+  folyshe. _Bea._ Yea ||but althoughe all the
+  whole worlde be full of suche fooles, a man can
+  scaselye fynde one whiche can abyde the name of a
+  foole, and yet they deserue to be called so for
+  asmoche as they hate not the thynge. _Boni._ Suerly
+  it is euen so as ye seye. _Bea._ Ye knowe also howe
+  the names of a lyar and a thefe are abhorred and
+  hated of all men. _Boni._ They are spyteful and
+  odious names, and abhorred of all men, and not
+  withe out good cause why. _Bea._ I graunte that,
+  but althoughe to commyt adulterie be a more wycked
+  synne then thefte yet for al that some men reioyse
+  and shewe them selfe glad of that name, whiche
+  wolde be redy by and by to drawe theyr swerdes and
+  fyghte withe a man that wolde or durst call them
+  theues. _Boni._ It is true there are many wolde
+  take it euyll as you saye in dede. _Bea._ And nowe
+  it is commyn to that poynt that thoughe there are
+  many vnthryftes and spêdals whiche consume theyr
+  substaunce at the ||wyne and vpon harlottes,
+  and yet so wyllynge to continewe openly that all
+  the worlde wonders at them, yet they wyll be
+  offended and take peper in the noose yf a man
+  shulde call them ruffyans or baudy knaues. _Boni._
+  Suche fellowes thynke they deserue prayse for the
+  thynge, and yet for all that they can not abyde
+  the name dewe to the thinge whiche they deserue.
+  _Bea._ There is scarslye any name amonges vs more
+  intollerable or worse can be abydden then to be
+  called a lyar or a lyeng fellowe. _Boni._ I haue
+  knowen some or this whiche haue kylled men for
+  suche a spytefull worde as that is. _Bea._ Yea yea
+  but wolde god suche hasty fellowes dyd as well
+  abhorre the thinge and hate lienge as well as to
+  be called lyers, was it neuer thy chaunce to be
+  dysceyued of any man whiche borowinge mony of the
+  appoyntynge the a certayne daye to repaye the sayd
+  money and so performyd not his appoyntment nor
+  kept his day? ||_Boni._ Yeas many tymes (god
+  knoweth) and yet hath he sworne many a greuous
+  othe and that not one tyme but many tymes. _Bea._
+  Peraduenture he wolde haue ben so honest as to
+  haue payed it and yf he had had wherwith. _Boni._
+  Naye that is not so for he was able inoughe, but
+  as he thought it better neuer to paye his dettes.
+  _Bea._ And what call you this in englyshe, is it
+  not playne lyenge? _Boni._ Yes as playne as
+  Dunstable way, there can not be a lowder lye then
+  this is. _Bea._ Durste you be so bolde to pulle
+  one of these good detters of yours by the sleue and
+  saye thus to hym, why hast thou dysceyued me so
+  many tymes and broken promyse with me, or to talke
+  to hym in playne englyshe, why doest thou make me
+  so many lyes? _Boni._ Why no syr by my trouthe
+  durst I not, excepte I were mynded before to chaûge
+  halfe a dosen drye blowes with hym. _Bea._ Dothe
+  not masons Brekelayers, Carpenters, Smy||thes,
+  Goldsmithes, Taylours, disceyue and disapoynt vs
+  after the lyke maner daylye promysynge to do youre
+  worke suche a daye and suche a daye without any
+  fayle, or further delaye, and yet for all that
+  they parforme not theyr promesse althoughe it
+  stande the neuer somoche vpon hande, or that thou
+  shuldest take neuer so moche profyte by it. _Boni._
+  This is a wonderous and strange vnshamefast
+  knauerye of all that euer I hard of. But and ye
+  speake of breakers of promyse then ye maye reken
+  amongest them lawyers and atturneys at the lawe,
+  which wyl not stycke to promyse or beare you in
+  hande that they wyll be diligent and ernest in the
+  furtheraûce and spedie expedicion of your sute.
+  _Bea._ Reken quod he, naye ye maye reken fyve
+  hundreth mennes names besyde these of sundrye
+  faculties and occupacions whiche wyll promyse more
+  by an ynch of a candle then they wyll performe by
+  a whole pounde. _Boni._ Why ||and ye call this
+  lyenge all the worlde is full of suche lyenge.
+  _Bea._ Ye se also lykewyse that no man can abyde to
+  be called thefe, and yet all men do not abhorre
+  the thynge so greatly. _Boni._ I wolde gladly haue
+  you to declare your mynde in this more playnlye &
+  at large. _Bea._ What difference is there betwene
+  hym whiche stealeth thy money forthe of thy cofer,
+  and hym whiche forsweareth and falsely denyeth
+  that whiche thou cõmytted to his custodie to be
+  reserued and safely kept for thy vse only, or to
+  suche tyme as thou arte mynded to call for it
+  agayne. _Boni._ There is as they say neyther
+  barrell better hearing, but that in my iudgement
+  he is the falser knaue of the twayne whiche robbes
+  a man that puttes his confidence and trust in hym.
+  _Bea._ yea but howe fewe men are there nowe adayes
+  lyuynge whiche are contente to restore agayne that
+  whiche they were put in truste to kepe, or yf they
+  deluer it agayne it is ||so dymynysshed,
+  gelded, nypped, and pynched, that it is not
+  delyuered whollye, but some thinge cleues in theyr
+  fyngers, that the prouerbe may haue place where
+  the horse walloweth there lyeth some heares.
+  _Boni._ I thynke but a fewe that dothe otherwyse.
+  _Bea._ And yet for all that there is none of al
+  these that cã abyde it ones to be called thefe,
+  and yet forsothe they hate not the thing so
+  greatly. _Boni._ That is as trewe as the gospell.
+  _Bea._ Consyder me nowe and marke I beseche the
+  howe the goodes of orphanes, pupylls, wardes, and
+  fatherlesse chyldren be cõmunely ordered and vsed,
+  how wylles and testamentes be executed and
+  performed, how legacyes and bequethes be communelye
+  payde, Naye howe moche cleueth and hangeth fast in
+  the fyngers of the executors or with them that
+  mynyster and intermedle with the goodes of the
+  testatours. _Boni._ Many tymes they retayne and
+  kepe in theyr handes all togy||ther. _Bea._ Yea
+  they loue to playe the thefe well inoughe, but they
+  loue nothynge worse then to here of it. _Boni._
+  That is very trewe. _Bea._ Howe lytle dyffers he
+  from a thefe whiche boroweth money of one and other
+  and so runneth in dette, with this intent and
+  purpose that yf he maye escape so or fynde suche a
+  crafty colour or a subtyle shyft, he intendeth
+  neuer to paye that he oweth. _Boni._ Paraduenture
+  he maye be called warer or more craftier thê a
+  thefe is in dede but no poynt better, for it is
+  hard chosyng of a better where there is neuer a
+  good of them bothe. _Bea._ yea but althoughe there
+  be in euery place a great nombre of such
+  makeshyftes and slypper marchauntes yet the
+  starkest knaue of thê all can not abyde to be
+  called thefe. _Boni._ God onely knoweth euery mãnes
+  hart and mynd, and therfore they are called of vs
+  men that are runne in dette or fer behynde the
+  hande, but not theues for that soun||deth vnswetely
+  and lyke a playne song note. _Bea._ What skyllys it
+  howe they be called amõge men yf they be theues
+  afore god. And where you say that god onely knoweth
+  euery mannes hart and mynde, euen so euery man
+  knoweth his owne mynde, whether in his wordes &
+  doynges he entende fraude, couyn, dysceyte, and
+  thefte or no. But what say ye by hym whiche when he
+  oweth more then he is worthe, wyll not stycke to
+  lashe prodygallye and set the cocke vpon the hoope,
+  and yet yf he haue any money at all lefte to spende
+  that a waye vnthryftely, and when he hathe played
+  the parte of a knauyshe spendall in one cytie
+  deludinge and disceyuyng his creditours, ronnes
+  out of this countre and getteth hym to some other
+  good towne, and there sekynge for straûgers and
+  newe acquayntaûce whom he may lykewyse begyle, yea
+  and playeth many suche lyke partes and shameful
+  shiftes. I praye the tell me dothe not suche a
+  ||greke declare euydentlye by his crafty
+  dealynge and false demeanour, what mynde is he of?
+  _Boni._ yes suerly as euydentlye as can be
+  possible. But yet suche felowes are wonte to
+  colour and cloke theyr doynges vnder a craftie
+  pretence. _Bea._ With what I beseche the? _Boni._
+  They saye to owe moche and to dyuers persones is
+  communely vsed of great men, yea and of kynges
+  also as well as of them, and therfore they that
+  intende to be of that disposycyon wyll beare out
+  to the harde hedge the porte of a gentylman and
+  soo they wyll be taken and estemed for gentilmen
+  of the commune people. _Bea._ A gentylman and why
+  or to what entent and purpose a gentylman? _Boni._
+  It is a straunge thynge to be spoken howe moche
+  they thynke it is mete for a gentylman or a
+  horseman to take vpon hym. _Bea._ By what equytie,
+  authoritie, or lawes. _Boni._ By none other but by
+  the selfe same lawes that the Admiralles of the
+  ||sees chalenge a proprietie in all suche thynges
+  as are cast vpon the shoore by wracke, althoughe
+  the ryghte owner come forthe and chalenge his owne
+  goodes. And also by the same lawes that some other
+  men saye all is theyrs what soeuer is founde
+  aboute a thefe or a robber whê he is takê. _Boni._
+  Such lawes as these are the arrantest theues that
+  are myght make them selues. _Bea._ yea and ye may
+  be sure they wold gladly with al theyr harts î
+  their bodies make suche lawes yf they coulde
+  mayntayne them or were of power to se them
+  executed, and they myght haue some thynge to laye
+  for theyr excuse if they could proclayme opyn warre
+  before they fell to robbynge. _Boni._ But who gaue
+  that pryuylege rather to a horseman then to a
+  foteman, or more to a gentylman thê to a good
+  yeman. _Bea._ The fauoure that is shewed to men of
+  warre, for by suche shyftes and thus they practyse
+  before to be good men of warre that they ||maye be
+  more redy & hansome to spoyle theyr enemyes when
+  they shall encounter with thê. _Boni._ I thynke
+  Pyrhus dyd so exercyse and breake his yonge
+  souldyers to the warres. _Bea._ No not Pyrrhus but
+  the Lacedemonians dyd. _Boni._ Mary syr hange vp
+  suche practysers or soldyers and theyr practisyng
+  to. But howe come they by the name of horsemen or
+  gentylmen that they vsurpe suche a great
+  prerogatyue? _Bea._ Some of them are gentylmê borne
+  and it cometh to them by auncestrie, some bye it
+  by the meanes of maystrys money, and other some
+  gette it by certayne shyftes. _Boni._ But maye
+  euery man that wyl and lyst come by it by shyftes?
+  _Bea._ Yea why not, euery man maye be a gentylman
+  nowe adayes very well and yf theyr condicions and
+  maners be accordynge. _Boni._ What maners or
+  condicions must suche one haue I beseche the?
+  _Bea._ Yf he be occupyed aboute no goodnesse, yf he
+  can ruffle it ||and swashe in his satens and his
+  silkes and go gorgiously apparelled, yf he can
+  ratle in his rynges vpon the fyngers endes, yf he
+  can playe the ruffyan and the horemonger and kepe
+  a gaye hoore gallantlye, yf he be neuer well at
+  ease but when he is playenge at the dyse, yf he be
+  able to matche as moche an vnthryfte as hym selfe
+  with a newe payre of cardes, yf he spende his tyme
+  lyke an epycure vpon bankettinge, sumptuous fare,
+  and all kynde of pleasures, yf he talke of no
+  rascalles nor beggars, but bragge, bost, face,
+  brace, and crake of castelles, towers, and
+  skyrmysshes, and yf all his talke be of the warres
+  and blody battels, and playe the parte of
+  crackinge Thraso throughly, such gaye grekes,
+  lusty brutes and ionkers may take vpon them to be
+  at defyaunce withe whome they wyll and lyst,
+  thoughe the gentylman haue neuer a fote of lande
+  to lyue vpon. _Boni._ Call ye them horsmen. Mary
+  syr suche horsemen are wel ||worthy to ryde vpõ
+  the gallowes, these are gentylmen of the Iebet of
+  all that euer I haue harde of. _Bea._ But yet there
+  be not afewe suche in that parte of Germany called
+  Nassen or Hessen.
+
+
+                 F  I  N  I  S
+
+          Trãslated by Edmonde Becke
+           And prynted at Cantorbury
+            in saynt Paules parishe
+                by Johñ Mychell.
+                      [+]
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+           *       *       *       *
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+[Transcriber's note: The following typographical
+errors were corrected.
+  "soldyers cassocke, a payre of hoose all to cut and
+  manglyd, may co||uer an euangelycall mynde."
+      hoose _was_ hoofe
+  "Poliphe. Naye I knowe hym whiche bereth a shepe
+  vpon his heed, and a sore in his brest"
+      sore _was_ fore
+  "orphanes, pupylls, wardes, and fatherlesse
+  chyldren be cõmunely ordered and vsed, how wylles"
+      cõmunely _was_ cõmuuely ]
+
+
+
+
+
+End of Project Gutenberg's Two Dyaloges (c. 1549), by Desiderius Erasmus
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+<p>[<i>Transcriber's note:</i> The original text has no page
+numbers. Marginal numbers are continuous, 1 through 51;
+any gaps in the numbering represent blank (verso) pages.<br>
+Three apparent typographic errors
+were corrected and are marked in the text
+<ins class = "correction" title = "explanation will pop up">
+like this</ins>.
+All other spelling and punctuation are as in the original.]</p>
+<br>
+<p align = "center"><a href = "#Preface">"The preface to the Reader"</a><br>
+(translator's introduction)<br>
+<br>
+<a href = "#Cannius">Dialogue: Cannius and Poliphemus</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href = "#Beatus">"The dialoge of thynges and names"</a><br>
+(Beatus and Bonifacius)</p>
+<br>
+
+
+<br />
+<br />
+<center>
+<img alt="titlepage (75K)" src="images/titlepage.jpg" height="620" width="465" />
+</center>
+<br />
+<br />
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+<hr>
+<hr>
+<br>
+<div class = "rowOne"><img src = "images/c_symb1.png" width = "38" height = "48" alt = "[C]">&nbsp;Two dyaloges</div>
+<div class = "rowTwo">wrytten in laten</div>
+<div class = "headline">by the famous clerke. D. Eras-<br>
+m<sup>9</sup> of Roterodame/ one called<br>
+Polyphemus or the gospeller/<br>
+the other dysposyng of thynges<br>
+and names/ translated<br>
+in to Englyshe by<br>
+Edmonde<br>
+Becke.</div>
+<p align = "center">And prynted at Cantorbury<br>
+in saynt Paules paryshe<br>
+by Johñ Mychell.<br>
+<br>
+<img src = "images/maltese_cross.png" width = "24" height = "24" alt = "[+]"></p>
+<br>
+<hr>
+<p align = "center"><span class = "pagenum">3</span><span class = "headline"><a name = "Preface">The preface to the Reader.</a></span></p>
+
+<p><img src = "images/L_large.png" border = "0" align = "left" hspace = "5" width = "71" height = "72" alt = "L">Ucius Anneus Seneca amonge many other pratie
+saienges (gentle reder) hathe this also, whiche in
+my iudgement is as trew as it is wittie. Rogãdo
+cogit qui rogat superior. And in effecte is thus
+moch to say, yf a mãnes superior or his better
+desyre any thige, he might aswell cõmãde it by
+authoritie as ones to desyre it.</p>
+
+<p>A gentleman a nere cosyn of myne, but moch nerer
+in fryndshyp, eftesones dyd instant and moue me to
+translate these two dyaloges folowynge, to whose
+getlenes I am so moch obliged, indetted and
+bounde, that he myght well haue cõmaunded me to
+this and more paynes: to whome I do not onely owe
+seruyce, but my selfe also. And in accõplysshynge
+of his most honest request (partly by cause I
+wolde not the moost inhumane fawte of Ingratitude
+shuld wor<span class = "pagenum">4</span>thely be imputed to me,
+&amp; that I might in this thynge also (accordynge to my
+bounden dutie) gratifie my frende) I haue hassard
+my selfe in these daungerous dayes, where many
+are so capcyous, some prone and redy to malygne &amp;
+depraue, and fewe whose eares are not so
+festidious, tendre, and redy to please, that in
+very tryfles &amp; thynges of small importaunce, yet
+exacte dylygence and exquisite iudgement is loked
+for and requyred, of them whiche at this present
+wyll attempte to translate any boke be it that the
+matter be neuer so base. But what diligence I have
+enployed in the translaciõ hereof I referre it to
+the iudgement of the lerned sort, whiche cõferynge
+my translacion with the laten dyaloges, I dowte
+not wyl condone and pardone my boldnesse, in that
+that I chalenge the semblable lybertie whiche the
+translatours of this tyme iustlie chalenge. For
+some heretofore submytting them selfe to
+seruytude, haue lytle <span class = "pagenum">5</span>respecte
+to the obseruaciõ of the thyng which in translacyõ is of
+all other most necessary and requisite, that is to
+saye, to rendre the sence &amp; the very meanyng of
+the author, not so relygyouslie addicte to
+translate worde for worde, for so the sence of the
+author is oftentimes corrupted &amp; depraued, and
+neyther the grace of the one tonge nor yet of the
+other is truely observed or aptlie expressed. The
+lerned knoweth y<sup>t</sup> euery tonge hathe his peculyer
+proprietie, phrase, maner of locucion, enargies
+and vehemêcie, which so aptlie in any other tõg
+can not be expressed. Yf I shal perceyue this my
+symple doinge to be thankefully taken, and in good
+parte accepted, it shall encorage me hereafter to
+attempte the translaciõ of some bokes dysposing of
+matters bothe delectable, frutefull, &amp; expedient
+to be knowen, by the grace of God, who gyuynge me
+quyetnes of mynde, lybertie, and abylytie, shall
+not desyste to communicat the frute of my
+<span class = "pagenum">6</span>spare howers,
+to such as are not lerned in
+the laten tonge: to whome I dedycat the fyrste
+frutes of this my symple translacyon.</p>
+<br>
+<hr>
+<br>
+<div class = "headline"><a name = "Cannius">A declaracion of the names.</a></div>
+<br>
+<p align = "center"><img src = "images/P_small.png" border = "0" align = "left" hspace ="5" width = "62" height = "48" alt = "P">
+Oliphemus sygnifieth, valyant
+or noble, and in an other sygnifi
+cacion, talcatyfe or clybbe of tong. The
+name of a Gyant called Cyclops,
+hauynge but one eye in his forhed, of a
+huge stature and a myghtie <u>p</u>sonage.
+And is aplyed here to sygnifie a great
+freke or a lubber, as this Poliphemus
+was, whiche beynge a man of warre or<br>
+a courtyer, had a newe testament in his<br>
+hande, and loked buselie for some<br>
+sentence or text of scrypture<br>
+and that Cannius his<br>
+companyõ espyed and<br>
+sayd to hî as<br>
+foloweth.</p>
+<br>
+<hr>
+<br>
+
+
+<br />
+<br />
+<center>
+<img alt="sample (132K)" src="images/sample.jpg" height="717" width="440" />
+</center>
+<br />
+<br />
+
+
+
+<span class = "pagenum">7</span>
+<div class = "headline"><img src = "images/c_symb2.png" width = "23" height = "24" alt = "[C]">
+The parsons names are Cannius and Poliphemus.</div>
+<br>
+<p><img src = "images/C_large.png" border="0" align="left" hspace="5" width = "67" height = "72" alt = C><b>Annius.</b> what hunt Polipheme for here?<br>
+<b>Poliphem<sup>9</sup>.</b> Aske ye what I hunt for here,
+and yet ye se me haue neyther dogges, dart, Jauelyn,
+nor huntyng staffe.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Paraduenture ye hunt after some
+praty nymphe of the couert.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> By my
+trouth and well coniectured, be holde what a
+goodly pursenet, or a hay I haue here in my hande.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Benedicite, what a straunge syght is
+this, me thinke I se Bachus in a lyons skin,
+Poliphemus with a boke in his hande. This is a
+dogge in a doblet, a sowe w<sup>t</sup> a sadle, of all
+that euer I se it is a non decet.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> I haue
+not onely paynted and garnyshed my boke with
+saffron, but also I haue lymmed it withe Sinople,
+asaphetida, redleed, vermilõ, and byse.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> It is a warlyke boke, for it is furnished with knottes,
+tassils <span class = "pagenum">8</span>plates, claspes, and brasen
+bullyons.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Take the boke in your hand and
+loke within it.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> I se it wery well. Truly it
+is a praty boke, but me thynkes ye haue not yet
+trymmed it sufficiently for all your cost ye have
+bestowed upon it.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Why what lackes it?<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Thou shuldest haue set thyne armes upon it.<br>
+<b>Poliphem<sup>9</sup>.</b> what armes I beseche the?<br>
+<b>Cãni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Mary
+the heed of Silenus, an olde iolthed drunkard
+totynge out of a hoggeshed or a tunne, but in good
+ernest, wherof dothe your boke dyspose or
+intreate? dothe it teache the art and crafte to
+drynke a duetaunt?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Take hede in goddes name
+what ye say lest ye bolt out a blasphemie before
+ye be ware.<br>
+<b>Cãni<sup>9</sup>.</b> why bydde ye me take hede what
+I saye? is there any holy matt<sup>r</sup> in the boke?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> what mã it is the gospell boke, I trow there
+is nothynge can be more holye.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> God for
+thy grace what hathe Poliphemus to do withe the
+gospell?<br>
+<span class = "pagenum">9</span><b>Poli.</b> Nay why do ye not aske what a
+chrysten man hathe to do with christe?<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> I
+can not tell but me thynkes a rousty byll or a
+halbard wold become such a great lubber or a
+slouyn as thou arte a great deale better, for yf
+it were my chaûce to mete such one and knewe
+him not upon seeborde, and he loked so lyke a
+knaue and a ruffyã as thou dost I wolde take hym
+for a pirate or a rouer upon the see/ and if I met
+such one in the wood for an arrante thefe, and a
+man murderer.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> yea good syr but the gospell
+teache vs this same lesson, that we shuld not
+iudge any person by his loke or by his externall &amp;
+outwarde apparaunce. For lyke wyse as many tymes
+vnder a graye freers coote a tyrannous mynde lyeth
+secretly hyd, eue so a polled heed, a crispe or a
+twyrled berde, a frowninge, a ferse, or a dogged
+loke, a cappe, or a hat with an oystrich fether, a
+soldyers cassocke, a payre of <ins class = "correction" title = "text reads 'hoofe'">hoose</ins> all to cut and
+manglyd, may co<span class = "pagenum">10</span>uer an euangelycall mynde.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> why not, mary God forbyd elles, yea &amp;
+many tymes a symple shepe lyeth hyd in a wolfes
+skynne, and yf a man maye credite and beleue the
+fables of Aesope, an asse maye lye secretely
+unknowen by cause he is in a lyons skynne.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Naye I knowe hym whiche bereth a shepe
+vpon his heed, and a <ins class = "correction" title = "text reads 'fore'">sore</ins> in his brest, to whome I
+wold wysshe with al my hart that he had as whyte
+and as fauorable frendes as he hathe blacke eyes.
+And I wolde wisshe also that he were as well guylt
+ouer and ouer as he hathe a colour mete to take
+guyltynge.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Yf ye take hym to were a shepe
+vpon his heed, that weareth a cappe of woll, howe
+greuously than art thou lodyn, or what an
+excedynge heuy burdê bearest thou then I praye the
+whiche bearest a hoole shepe and an ostryche to
+vpon thy heed? But what saye ye to hî doth not
+he more folyssly which beareth a byrd vpon his
+heed, and an asse in his <span class = "pagenum">11</span>brest.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b>
+There ye nypped &amp; taunted me in dede.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> But
+I wolde saye this geere dyd wonderous wel yf this
+gospel boke dyd so adourne the with vertue as thou
+hast adourned lymmed, and gorgiously garnysshed it
+with many gay goodly glystryng ornamentes. Mary
+syr thou hast set it forth in his ryght colours in
+dede, wolde to god it might so adourne the with
+good cõdiciõs that thou myghtest ones lerne to be
+an honest man.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> There shall be no defaute in
+me, I tell you I wyll do my diligence.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> Naye
+there is no doute of that, there shall be no more
+faute in you now I dare say then was wonte to be.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Yea but (youre tarte tauntes, and youre
+churlysshe checkes, and raylynges set asyde) tell
+me I pray the this one thynge, do you thus
+disprayse, condempne, or fynde faute with them
+whiche caryeth aboute with them the newe testament
+or the gospel boke?<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> No by my fayth do I not
+good <span class = "pagenum">12</span>praty man.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Call ye me but a
+praty one and I am hygher then you by y<sup>e</sup> length
+of a good asses heed.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> I thynke not fully so
+moche yf the asse stretch forth his eares, but go
+to it skyllis no matter of that, let it passe, he
+that bare Christ vpon his backe was called
+Christofer, and thou whiche bearest the gospell
+boke aboute with the shall for Poliphemus be
+called the gospeller or the gospell bearer.<br>
+<b>Polip.</b>
+Do not you counte it an holy thynge to cary aboute
+with a man the newe testament?<br>
+<b>Cãni.</b> why no syr by
+my trouth do I not, except thou graunte the very
+asses to be holy to.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> How can an asse be
+holy?<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> For one asse alone is able to beare
+thre hundreth suche bokes, and I thynke suche a
+great lubber as thou art were stronge inoughe to
+beare as great a burden, and yf thou had a hansome
+packesadle sette vpon thy backe.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> And yet
+for all your iestynge it is not agaynst good
+reason to saye <span class = "pagenum">13</span>that ye asse was holy which
+bore christ.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> I do not enuye you man for
+this holynes for I had as lefe you had that
+holynes as I, and yf it please you to take it I
+wyll geue you an holy &amp; a religious relyke of the
+selfe same asse whiche christ rode vpon, and whan
+ye haue it ye may kysse it lycke it and cull it as
+ofte as ye lyst.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Mary syr I thanke you, ye
+can not gyue me a more thanckefull gyfte nor do me
+a greatter pleasure, for that asse withouten any
+tayle was made as holye as any asse could be by
+the touchynge of christes body.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Undouted
+they touched christes body also whiche stroke and
+buffeted christ.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> yea but tell me this one
+thynge I praye the in good ernest. Is it not a
+great sygne of holynes in a man to cary aboute the
+gospel boke or the newe testament?<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> It is
+a token of holynes in dede if it be done without
+hypocrysie, I meane if it be done without
+dissimulacion/and for <span class = "pagenum">14</span>that end, intent &amp;
+purpose, that it shuld be done for.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> What
+the deuyl &amp; a morten tellest thou a man of warre
+of hypocrisie, away with hypocrisie to the monkes
+and the freers.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Yea but bycause ye saye
+so, tell me fyrste I praye you what ye call
+hypocrisie.<br>
+<b>Po.</b> When a man pretendis another thyng
+outwardly then he meanis secretly in his mynde.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> But what dothe the bearynge aboute of the
+newe testament sygnyfie. Dothe it not betoken that
+thy lyfe shulde be conformable to the gospell
+which thou carryest aboute with the.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> I
+thynke well it dothe.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Wel then when thy
+lyfe is not conformable to the boke, is not that
+playne hypocrisie.<br>
+<b>Poliph.</b> Tell me thê what you
+call the trewe carienge of the gospell boke aboute
+with a man.<br>
+<b>Cãni.</b> Sõme men beare it aboute with
+them in theyr hãdes (as the gray freers were wonte
+to beare the rule of saynt Fraunces) and so the
+porters of Londõ, Asses <span class = "pagenum">15</span>&amp; horses may beare
+it as well as they. And there be some other that
+carry the gospel in theyr mouthes onlie, and such
+haue no other talke but al of christ and his
+gospell, and that is a very poynt of a pharysey.
+And some other carrye it in theyr myndes. But in
+myne opynion he beares the gospell boke as he
+shuld do whiche bothe beares it in his hande,
+cõmunes of it with his mouth whan occasyon of
+edyfyenge of his neyghboure whan conuenyent
+oportunytie is mynystred to him, and also beares
+it in his mynde and thynkes vpon it withe his
+harte.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Yea thou art a mery felow, where
+shall a man fynde suche blacke swãnes?<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> In
+euery cathedrall church, where there be any
+deacons, for they beare the gospel boke î theyr
+hãde, they synge the gospell aloude, somtyme in a
+lofte that the people may heare thê, althoughe
+they do not vnderstand it, and theyr myndes are
+vpõ it when they synge it.<br>
+<b>Polphe.</b> And yet for all
+your <span class = "pagenum">16</span>sayenge all suche deacons are no
+saynttes that beare the gospell so in theyr
+myndes.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> But lest ye play the subtyle and
+capcious sophystryar with me I wyll tell you this
+one thynge before. No man can beare the gospell in
+his mynde but he must nedes loue it from the
+bothum of his harte, no man loueth it inwardly and
+from the bothû of his harte but he must nedes
+declare and expresse the gospell in his lyuinge,
+outwarde maners, &amp; behauour.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> I can not skyll
+of youre subtyle reasonynges, ye are to fyne for
+me.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> Thê I wyll commune with you after a
+grosser maner, and more playnly. yf thou dyddest
+beare a tankard of good Reynyshe wyne vpon thy
+shulders onelye, what other thynge were it to the
+then a burden.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> It were none other thynge
+truly, it is no great pleasure so beare wyne.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> What and yf thou dranke asmoche as thou
+coudest well holde in thy mouthe, after the manner
+of <span class = "pagenum">17</span>a gargarisme &amp; spyt it out agayne.<br>
+<b>Po.</b>
+That wolde do me no good at all, but take me not
+with suche a faute I trow, for the wyne is very
+bad and if I do so.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> But what and yf thou
+drynke thy skynne full as thou art wont to do, whê
+thou comest where good wyne is.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Mary
+there is nothyng more godly or heuynly.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b>It warmes you at the stomacke, it settes your body
+in a heate, it makes you loke with a ruddy face,
+and setteth your hart vpon a mery pynne.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b>
+That is suerly so as ye saye in dede.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> The
+gospell is suche a lyke thynge of all this worlde,
+for after that it hathe ones persed &amp; entered in
+the veynes of the mynd it altereth, transposeth,
+and cleane changeth vpsodowne the whole state of
+mã, and chaungeth hym cleane as it were into a
+nother man.<br>
+<b>Polip.</b> Ah ha, nowe I wot wherabout ye
+be, belyke ye thîke that I lyue not accordynge to
+the gospell or as a good gospeller shulde do.<br>
+<span class = "pagenum">18</span><b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> There is no man can dyssolue this
+questiõ better then thy selfe.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Call ye it
+dissoluynge? Naye and yf a thynge come to
+dyssoluynge gyue me a good sharpe axe in my hande
+and I trow I shall dyssolue it well inoughe.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> What woldest thou do, I praye the, and yf a
+man shulde say to thy teth thou lyest falsely, or
+elles call the by thy ryght name knaue in
+englysshe.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> What wolde I do quod he, that is
+a question in dede, mary he shulde feele the
+wayghte of a payre of churlyshe fystes I warrant
+the.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> And what and yf a man gaue you a good
+cuffe vpon the eare that shulde waye a pounde?<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> It were a well geuen blowe that wolde
+aduauntage hym. xx. by my trouthe and he escaped
+so he myght say he rose vpon his ryght syde, but
+it were maruayle &amp; I cut not of his head harde by
+his shulders.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Yea but good felowe thy
+gospell boke teacheth the to geue gentle answers,
+and fayre wordes <span class = "pagenum">19</span>agayne for fowle, and to
+hym that geueth the a blowe vpon the ryght cheke
+to holde forth the lyfte.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> I do remembre I
+haue red suche a thinge in my boke, but ye must
+pardone me for I had quyte forgotten it.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> Well
+go to, what saye ye to prayer I suppose ye praye
+very ofte.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> That is euyn as very a touche of
+a pharesey as any can be.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> I graunt it is
+no lesse thê a poynte of a pharesey to praye longe
+and faynedly vnder a colour or pretêce of holynes,
+that is to saye when a man prayeth not frõ the
+bothum of his hart but with the lyppes only and
+from the tethe outward, and that in opyn places
+where great resort of people is, bycause they wold
+be sene. But thy gospel boke teacheth the to praye
+contynually, but so that thy prayer come from the
+bothu of the hart.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Yea but yet for all my
+sayenge I praye sumtyme.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> When I beseche the
+when y<sup>e</sup> art a slepe?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> When it cometh in to
+my mynde, ones <span class = "pagenum">20</span>or twyse may chaunce in a
+weke.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> what prayer sayst thou?<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> The
+lordes prayer, the Pater noster.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Howe many
+tymes ouer?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Onis, &amp; I trowe it is often
+inoughe, for the gospell forbyddeth often
+repetynge of one thynge.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Can ye saye
+your pater noster through to an ende &amp; haue youre
+mynde runnynge vpon nothynge elles in all that
+whyle?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> By my trouthe and ye wyll beleue me I
+neuer yet assayed nor proued whether I coulde do
+it or no. But is it not sufficient to saye it with
+my mouthe?<br>
+<b>Can.</b> I can not tell whether it be or
+no. But I am sure god here vs not excepte we praye
+from the bothum of our harte. But tell me another
+thyng I wyll aske the. Doest thou not fast very
+often?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> No neuer in all my lyfe tyme and yf
+it were not for lacke of meate.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> And yet thy
+boke alowes and commendes hyghly bothe fastynge
+and prayer.<br>
+<b>Polip.</b> So coulde I alowe them but that
+my belly can <span class = "pagenum">21</span>not well affare nor a way with
+fastyng.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Yea but Paule sayth they are not
+the seruauntes of Iesus Christe whiche serue theyr
+belly &amp; make it theyr god. Do you eate fleshe
+euery day?<br>
+<b>Po.</b> No neuer when I haue none to eate,
+but I neuer refuse it when it is set before me,
+and I neuer aske question not for cõscience but
+for my belly sake.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> Yea but these stronge
+sturdy sydes of suche a chuffe and a lobbynge
+lobye as thou arte wolde be fed well inoughe with
+haye and barke of trees.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Yea but chryste
+sayd, that which entereth in at the mouthe
+defyleth not the man.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> That is to be
+vnderstand thus yf it be measurably taken, and
+without the offendinge of our christian brother.
+But Paule the disciple of chryst had rather
+peryshe &amp; sterue with hunger then onys to offende
+his weyke brothren w<sup>t</sup> his eatynge, and he
+exhorteth vs to followe his example that in all
+thynges we maye please all men.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> What tel
+<span class = "pagenum">22</span>ye me of Paule, Paule is Paule and I am I.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Do you gladly helpe to releue the poore
+and the indygent with your goodes?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Howe can
+I helpe them whiche haue nothynge to gyue them,
+and scant inoughe for my selfe.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> ye myght
+spare somthynge to helpe thê with yf thou woldest
+playe the good husband in lyuynge more warely, in
+moderatynge thy superfluous expenses, and in
+fallynge to thy worke lustely.<br>
+<b>Poliphem<sup>9</sup>.</b> Nay
+then I were a fole in dede, a penyworth of ease is
+euer worth a peny, and nowe I haue found so moch
+pleasure in ease that I can not fall to no labour.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Do you kepe the commaundementes of god?<br>
+<b>Polip.</b> Nowe ye appose me, kepe the cõmaundementes
+quod he, that is a payne in dede.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Art
+thou sory for thy synnes and thyne offences, doest
+thou ernestly repent the for thê.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b>
+Christ hath payed the raunsome of synne and
+satisfied for it alredy.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Howe
+<span class = "pagenum">23</span>prouest thou then that thou louest the
+gospell and fauoris the word of god as thou
+bearest men in hande thou doest.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> I
+wyll tell you that by &amp; by, and I dare saye you
+wyl confesse no lesse your selfe then that I am an
+ernest fauorer of the worde then I haue told you
+y<sup>e</sup> tale. There was a certayne gray frere of the
+order of saynt Fraunces w<sup>t</sup> vs whiche neuer
+ceased to bable and rayle agaynste the newe
+testament of Erasmus, I chaunsed to talke with the
+gêtylman pryuatly where no man was present but he
+and I, and after I had communed awhyle with hym I
+caught my frere by the polled pate with my left
+hande and with my right hãde I drew out my daggar
+and I pomelled the knaue frere welfauardly aboute
+his skonce that I made his face as swollen and as
+puffed as a puddynge.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> what a tale is
+this that thou tellest me.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> How say you
+is not this a good and a sufficient proue that I
+fa<span class = "pagenum">24</span>uer the gospell. I gaue hym absolucion
+afore he departed out of my handes w<sup>t</sup> this newe
+testament thryse layde vpon his pate as harde as I
+myght dryue y<sup>t</sup> I made thre bunches in his heed
+as bygge as thre egges in the name of the father,
+the sone, &amp; the holy goost.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> Now by my trouth
+this was well done &amp; lyke a ryght gospeller of
+these dayes. Truly this is as they saye to
+dyffende the gospell with the gospell.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> I
+met another graye frere of the same curryshe
+couent, that knaue neuer had done in raylynge
+agaynst Erasmus, so sone as I had espyed hym I was
+styrred and moued with the brenninge zele of the
+gospell that in thretenyng of him I made hym knele
+downe vpon his knees and crye Erasmus mercie and
+desyred me to forgyue hym, I may saye to you it
+was hyghe tyme for hym to fall downe vpon his
+marybones, and yf he had not done it by and by I
+had my hal<span class = "pagenum">25</span>barde vp redy to haue gyuen hym
+betwyxt the necke and the heade, I loked as grymme
+as modie Mars when he is in furyous fume, it is
+trewe that I tell you, for there was inoughe sawe
+the frere and me yf I wolde make a lye.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> I
+maruayle the frere was not out of his wyt. But to
+retourne to oure purpose agayne, dost thou lyue
+chastly?<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> Peraduenture I maye do here
+after when I am more stryken in age. But shall I
+confesse the trouthe to the?<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> I am no preest
+man, ther fore yf thou wylt be shryuen thou must
+seke a preest to whome thou maye be lawfully
+confessed.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> I am wont styl to cõfesse my
+selfe to god, but I wyl confesse thus moche to the
+at this tyme I am not yet become a perfyte
+gospeller or an euangelical man, for I am but yet
+as it were one of y<sup>e</sup> cõmune people, ye knowe wel
+perde we gospellers haue iiii. gospels wrytten by
+the .iiii. euange<span class = "pagenum">26</span>lystes, &amp; suche gospellers
+as I am hunt busely, and chefely for .iiii.
+thynges that we may haue. Unde. to prouyde dayntie
+fare for the bellie, that nothynge be lackynge to
+that parte of the body whiche nature hath placed
+vnder the belly, ye wote what I meane, and to
+obtayne and procure suche liuinge that we may lyue
+welthely and at pleasure without carke &amp; care. And
+fynally that we maye do what we lyst without
+checke or controlment, yf we gospellars lacke none
+of all these thynges we crye and synge for ioye,
+amonge our ful cuppes Io Io we tryumphe and are
+wonderfull frolycke, we synge and make as mery as
+cup and can, and saye the gospell is a lyue agayne
+Chryst rayneth.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> This is a lyfe for an
+Epycure or a god belly and for no euangelicall
+persone that professeth the gospell.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> I denye
+not but that it is so as ye saye, but ye knowe
+well that god is omnipotent and can do al thynges,
+he can turne vs <span class = "pagenum">27</span>whê his wyll is sodenly in
+to other maner of men.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> So can he
+transforme you in to hogges and swyne, the whiche
+maye soner be done I iudge thê to chaunge you into
+good men for ye are halfe swynyshe &amp; hoggyshe
+alredy, your lyuynge is so beastlie.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b>
+Holde thy peas mã wolde to god there were no men
+that dyd more hurt in the world then swyne,
+bullockes, asses, and camelles. A mã may se many
+men now adayes more crueller then lyons, more
+rauenynge thê wolues, more lecherous then sparous,
+and that byte worse then mad dogges, more noysom
+thê snakes, vepers and adders.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> But nowe
+good Polipheme remembre and loke vpon thy selfe
+for it is hyghe tyme for the to laye a syde thy
+beastly lyuynge, and to be tourned from a brute
+and a sauage beast in to a man.<br>
+<b>Poliphem<sup>9</sup>.</b> I
+thanke you good neyghbour<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> for by saynt
+Mary I thynke your counsayle is good/for the
+prophetes of this <span class = "pagenum">28</span>tyme sayth the worlde is
+almost at an end, and we shall haue domes daye
+(as they call it) shortely.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> We haue
+therfore more nede to <u>p</u>pare our selues in a
+redines agaynst that day, and that with as moche
+spede as maye be possible.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> as for my
+part I loke and wayte styll euery day for the
+myghty hande and power of christ.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Take
+hede therfore that thou, when christ shall laye
+his myghty hande vpon the be as tendre as waxe,
+that accordynge to his eternall wyll he maye
+frayme &amp; fashyon the with his hande. But wherby I
+praye the dothe these prophetes coniecture &amp;
+gather that the worlde is almost at an ende.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Bycause men (they saye) do the selfe same
+thinge nowe adayes that they dyd, and were wont to
+do which were lyuynge in the worlde a lytle whyle
+before the deluge or Noyes floode. They make
+solempne feastes, they banket, they quaffe, they
+booll, they bybbe, they ryot men mary, <span class = "pagenum">29</span>wome
+are maryed, they go a catterwallynge and
+horehuntinge, they bye, they sell, they lend to
+vserie, and borowe vpon vserie, they builde, kîges
+keepe warre one agaynst another, preestes studie
+howe they maye get many benefyces and promociõs to
+make them selfe riche and increase theyr worldly
+substaunce, the diuynes make insolible sillogismus
+and vnperfyte argumêtes, they gather conclusyons,
+monkes and freers rûne, at rouers ouer all the
+world, the comyn people are in a mase or a hurle
+burle redy to make insurrections, and to conclude
+breuelie there lackes no euyll miserie nor
+myschefe, neyther hõger, thyrst fellonie,
+robberie, warre, pestilence, sediciõ, derth, and
+great scarsytie and lacke of all good thynges. And
+howe say you do not all these thynges argue and
+sufficientlie proue that the worlde is almost at
+an ende?<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Yea but tell me I praye the of
+all thes hoole hepe of euyls and miseries whiche
+greueth the <span class = "pagenum">30</span>moste?<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> Whiche
+thynkes thou, tell me thy fansie and coniecture?<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> That the Deuyll (god saue vs) maye daunce
+in thy purse for euer a crosse that thou hast to
+kepe hî for the.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> I pray god I dye and yf
+thou haue not hyt the nayle vpon the head. Now as
+chaunceth I come newly from a knotte of good
+companye where we haue dronke harde euery man for
+his parte, &amp; I am not behynde with myne, and
+therfore my wytte is not halfe so freshe as it
+wyll be, I wyll dyspute of the gospell with the
+whan I am sobre.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> When shal I se the sobre?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> When I shall be sobre.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Whê wyll
+that be?<br>
+<b>Poliph.</b> When thou shalt se me, in the
+meane season god be with you gentle Cannius and
+well mot you do.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> And I wyshe to you a
+gayne for my parte that thou ware in dede as
+valiaunt or pusaunt a felowe as thy name soundeth.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> And bycause ye shall lose nothynge at my
+<span class = "pagenum">31</span>hande with wyshynge I pray god
+that Cannius maye neuer lacke a good can or a stoope of wine or
+bere, wherof he had his name.</p>
+<br>
+
+<div class = "extended">FINIS</div>
+<br>
+<hr>
+
+<br>
+<div class = "rowThree"><img src = "images/c_symb2.png" width = "23" height = "24" alt = "[C]">&nbsp;<a name = "Beatus">The dialoge of thynges and names.</a></div>
+<br>
+<br>
+<div class = "headline">A declaracion of the names.</div>
+
+<p align = "center"><img src = "images/B_small.png" width = "54" height = "48" border="0" align="left" hspace="5" alt = "B">Eatus, is he whiche hathe abundance of al thinges that is good,
+and is parfyte in all thynges commendable
+or prayseworthy or to be desyred
+of a good man. Somtyme it is ta-<br>
+ken for fortunate, ryche, or<br>
+noble. Bonifaci<sup>9</sup>, fayre,<br>
+full of fauor or well<br>
+fauored.<br>
+<img src = "images/maltese_cross.png" width = "24" height = "24" alt = "[+]"></p>
+<br>
+
+
+<br />
+<br />
+<center>
+<img alt="sample2 (126K)" src="images/sample2.jpg" height="709" width="432" />
+</center>
+<br />
+<br />
+
+<hr>
+<br>
+<span class = "pagenum">32</span>
+<div class = "headline"><img src = "images/c_symb2.png" width = "23" height = "24" alt = "[C]">&nbsp;The parsons names are Beatus
+and Bonifacius.</div>
+<br>
+
+<p><img src = "images/B_large.png" width = "70" height = "72" border="0" align="left" hspace="5" alt = "B"><b>Eatus.</b> God saue you mayster Boniface.<br>
+<b>Bonifaci<sup>9</sup>.</b> God saue you &amp; god saue you agayne
+gêtle Beatus. But I wold god bothe we were such,
+and so in very dede as we be called by name, that
+is to say thou riche &amp; I fayre.<br>
+<b>Beatus.</b> Why do you
+thynke it nothynge worth at al to haue a goodly
+glorious name.<br>
+<b>Bonifacius.</b> Truely me thynke it is
+of no valure or lytle good worthe, onles a man
+haue the thynge itselfe whiche is sygnified by the
+name.<br>
+<b>Beatus.</b> Yea you maye well thynke your
+pleasure, but I am assured that the most part of
+all mortall men be of another mynde.<br>
+<b>Bonifa.</b> It
+may wel be I do not denye that they are mortal,
+but suerly I do not byleue that they are me, which
+are so beastly mynded.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yes good syr and they
+be men to laye <span class = "pagenum">33</span>your lyfe, onlesse ye thynke
+camels and asses do walke about vnder the fygure
+and forme of men.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Mary I can soner beleue
+that then that they be men whiche esteme and passe
+more vpon the name, then the thynge.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> I
+graunte in certayne kyndes of thinges moost men
+had rather haue the thynge then the name, but in
+many thynges it is otherwyse and cleane cõtrary.<br>
+<b>Bo.</b> I can not well tell what ye meane by that.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And yet the example of this matter is
+apparant or sufficiently declared in vs two. Thou
+arte called Bonifacius and thou hast in dede the
+thynge wherby thou bearest thy name. yet if there
+were no other remedy but eyther thou must lacke
+the one or the other, whether had you rather haue
+a fowle and deformed face or elles for Boniface be
+called Maleface or horner?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Beleue me I had
+rather be called fowle Thersites then haue a
+monstrous or a deformyed face, whether I haue a
+good face or no <span class = "pagenum">34</span>I can not tell.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And
+euen so had I for yf I were ryche and there were
+no remedy but that I must eyther forgoo my
+rychesse, or my name I had rather be called Irus
+whiche was a poore beggers name then lacke my
+ryches.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I agree to you for asmoch as ye
+speake the trouth, and as you thynke.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Iudge
+all them to be of the same mynde that I am of
+whiche are indued with helthe or other commodities
+and qualities appartaynynge to the body.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+That is very trewe.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yea but I praye the
+cõsyder and marke howe many men we se whiche had
+rather haue the name of a lerned and a holy man,
+then to be well lerned, vertuous, &amp; holy in dede.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I knowe a good sorte of suche men for my
+part.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Tell me thy fãtasie I pray the do not
+suche men passe more vpon the name then the
+thinge?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Methynke thy do.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yf we had a
+logician here whiche could well and clarkelie
+defyne what were a kynge, what a bysshoppe,
+<span class = "pagenum">35</span>what a magistrate, what a philosopher is,
+paduêture we shuld find som amõg these iolly
+felowes whiche had rather haue the name then the
+thynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Surely &amp; so thynke I. Yf he be a
+kinge whiche by lawe and equyte regardes more the
+commoditie of his people then his owne lucre/yf he
+be a bisshop which alwayes is careful for the
+lordes flocke cõmytted to his pastorall charge/yf
+he be a magistrate which frankelie and of good
+wyll dothe make prouysyon, and dothe all thinge
+for the comyn welthes sake/and yf he be a
+phylosopher whiche passynge not vpon the goodes of
+this worlde, only geueth hym selfe to attayn to a
+good mynde, and to leade a vertuous lyfe.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Lo
+thus ye may perseyue what a nombre of semblable
+exãples ye may collecte &amp; gether.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Undouted a
+great sorte.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> But I pray the tel me wyll you
+saye that all these are no men.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Nay I feare
+rather lest in so sayenge it shulde cost vs our
+lyues, and <span class = "pagenum">36</span>so myght we our selues shortelye
+be no men.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yf man be a resonable creature,
+howe ferre dyffers this from all good reason, that
+in cõmodities apertayning to the body (for so
+they deserue rather to be called then goodnes) and
+in outwarde gyftes whiche dame fortune geues and
+takes awaye at her pleasure, we had rather haue
+the thynge then the name, and in the true and only
+goodnes of the mynd we passe more vpon the name
+then the thynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> So god helpe me it is a
+corrupte and a preposterours iudgement, yf a man
+marke and consyder it wel.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> The selfe same
+reason is in contrarie thinges.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I wolde
+gladly knowe what ye meane by that.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> We maye
+iudge lykewyse the same of the names of thynges to
+be eschued, and incommodites which was spoken of
+thynges to be diffyred and cõmodites.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Nowe I
+haue considered the thynges well, it apereth to be
+euen so as ye saye in dede.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> It shulde
+be <span class = "pagenum">37</span>more feared of a good prynce to be a
+tyraunt in dede then to haue the name of a
+tyraunt. And yf an euyll bysshop be a thefe and a
+robber, then we shulde not so greatly abhorre and
+hate the name as the thynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Eyther so it is
+or so it shuld be.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Nowe gather you of the
+rest as I haue done of the prynce &amp; the bysshop.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Me thynkes I vnderstande this gere
+wonderouse well.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Do not all men hate the
+name of a fole or to be called a moome, a sotte,
+or an asse?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Yeas as moche as they do any one
+thynge.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And how saye you were not he a starke
+fole that wold fishe with a goldê bayte, that
+wolde preferre or esteme glasse better then
+precious stones, or whiche loues his horse or
+dogges better then his wyfe and his chyldrê?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+He were as wyse as waltoms calfe, or madder then
+iacke of Redyng.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And be not they as wyse
+whiche not assygned, chosen, nor yet ones
+appoynted by the magistrates, but vpon <span class = "pagenum">38</span>theyr
+owne heed aduenture to runne to the warres for
+hoope of a lytle gayne, ieoperdynge theyr bodyes
+and daungerynge theyr soules? Or howe wyse be
+they which busie thê selfe to get, gleyne, and
+reepe to gyther, goodes and ryches when they haue
+a mynde destitute and lackyng all goodness? Are
+not they also euen as wyse that go gorgyously
+apparylled, and buyldes goodly sumptuous houses,
+when theyr myndes are not regarded but neglect
+fylthye and with all kynde of vyce fowle
+corrupted? And how wyse are they whiche are
+carefull diligent and busie, about the helthe of
+theyr body neglectynge and not myndynge at all
+theyr soule, in daunger of so many deedly synnes?
+And fynally to conclude howe wyse be they whiche
+for a lytle shorte transytorye pleasure of this
+lyfe deserue euerlastynge tormentes and
+punyshementes?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Euen reason forseth me to
+graunt that they are more then frãtyke and
+folyshe.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yea <span class = "pagenum">39</span>but althoughe all the
+whole worlde be full of suche fooles, a man can
+scaselye fynde one whiche can abyde the name of a
+foole, and yet they deserue to be called so for
+asmoche as they hate not the thynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Suerly
+it is euen so as ye seye.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Ye knowe also howe
+the names of a lyar and a thefe are abhorred and
+hated of all men.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> They are spyteful and
+odious names, and abhorred of all men, and not
+withe out good cause why.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> I graunte that, but
+althoughe to commyt adulterie be a more wycked
+synne then thefte yet for al that some men reioyse
+and shewe them selfe glad of that name, whiche
+wolde be redy by and by to drawe theyr swerdes and
+fyghte withe a man that wolde or durst call them
+theues.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> It is true there are many wolde take
+it euyll as you saye in dede.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And nowe it is
+commyn to that poynt that thoughe there are many
+vnthryftes and spêdals whiche consume theyr
+substaunce at the <span class = "pagenum">40</span>wyne and vpon harlottes,
+and yet so wyllynge to continewe openly that all
+the worlde wonders at them, yet they wyll be
+offended and take peper in the noose yf a man
+shulde call them ruffyans or baudy knaues.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+Suche fellowes thynke they deserue prayse for the
+thynge, and yet for all that they can not abyde
+the name dewe to the thinge whiche they deserue.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> There is scarslye any name amonges vs more
+intollerable or worse can be abydden then to be
+called a lyar or a lyeng fellowe.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I haue
+knowen some or this whiche haue kylled men for
+suche a spytefull worde as that is.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yea yea
+but wolde god suche hasty fellowes dyd as well
+abhorre the thinge and hate lienge as well as to
+be called lyers, was it neuer thy chaunce to be
+dysceyued of any man whiche borowinge mony of the
+appoyntynge the a certayne daye to repaye the sayd
+money and so performyd not his appoyntment nor
+kept his day?<br>
+<span class = "pagenum">41</span><b>Boni.</b> Yeas many tymes (god
+knoweth) and yet hath he sworne many a greuous
+othe and that not one tyme but many tymes.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+Peraduenture he wolde haue ben so honest as to
+haue payed it and yf he had had wherwith.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+Naye that is not so for he was able inoughe, but
+as he thought it better neuer to paye his dettes.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And what call you this in englyshe, is it not
+playne lyenge?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Yes as playne as Dunstable
+way, there can not be a lowder lye then this is.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Durste you be so bolde to pulle one of these
+good detters of yours by the sleue and saye thus
+to hym, why hast thou dysceyued me so many tymes
+and broken promyse with me, or to talke to hym in
+playne englyshe, why doest thou make me so many
+lyes?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Why no syr by my trouthe durst I not,
+excepte I were mynded before to chaûge halfe a
+dosen drye blowes with hym.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Dothe not masons
+Brekelayers, Carpenters, Smy<span class = "pagenum">42</span>thes,
+Goldsmithes, Taylours, disceyue and disapoynt vs
+after the lyke maner daylye promysynge to do youre
+worke suche a daye and suche a daye without any
+fayle, or further delaye, and yet for all that
+they parforme not theyr promesse althoughe it
+stande the neuer somoche vpon hande, or that thou
+shuldest take neuer so moche profyte by it.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+This is a wonderous and strange vnshamefast
+knauerye of all that euer I hard of. But and ye
+speake of breakers of promyse then ye maye reken
+amongest them lawyers and atturneys at the lawe,
+which wyl not stycke to promyse or beare you in
+hande that they wyll be diligent and ernest in the
+furtheraûce and spedie expedicion of your sute.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Reken quod he, naye ye maye reken fyve
+hundreth mennes names besyde these of sundrye
+faculties and occupacions whiche wyll promyse more
+by an ynch of a candle then they wyll performe by
+a whole pounde.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Why <span class = "pagenum">43</span>and ye call this
+lyenge all the worlde is full of suche lyenge.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Ye se also lykewyse that no man can abyde to
+be called thefe, and yet all men do not abhorre
+the thynge so greatly.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I wolde gladly haue
+you to declare your mynde in this more playnlye &amp;
+at large.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> What difference is there betwene
+hym whiche stealeth thy money forthe of thy cofer,
+and hym whiche forsweareth and falsely denyeth
+that whiche thou cõmytted to his custodie to be
+reserued and safely kept for thy vse only, or to
+suche tyme as thou arte mynded to call for it
+agayne.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> There is as they say neyther barrell
+better hearing, but that in my iudgement he is the
+falser knaue of the twayne whiche robbes a man
+that puttes his confidence and trust in hym.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+yea but howe fewe men are there nowe adayes
+lyuynge whiche are contente to restore agayne that
+whiche they were put in truste to kepe, or yf they
+deluer it agayne it is <span class = "pagenum">44</span>so dymynysshed,
+gelded, nypped, and pynched, that it is not
+delyuered whollye, but some thinge cleues in theyr
+fyngers, that the prouerbe may haue place where
+the horse walloweth there lyeth some heares.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+I thynke but a fewe that dothe otherwyse.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+And yet for all that there is none of al these
+that cã abyde it ones to be called thefe, and yet
+forsothe they hate not the thing so greatly.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+That is as trewe as the gospell.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Consyder me
+nowe and marke I beseche the howe the goodes of
+orphanes, pupylls, wardes, and fatherlesse
+chyldren be <ins class = "correction" title = "text reads 'cõmuuely'">cõmunely</ins> ordered and vsed, how wylles
+and testamentes be executed and performed, how
+legacyes and bequethes be communelye payde, Naye
+howe moche cleueth and hangeth fast in the fyngers
+of the executors or with them that mynyster and
+intermedle with the goodes of the testatours.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Many tymes they retayne and kepe in theyr
+handes all togy<span class = "pagenum">45</span>ther.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yea they loue to
+playe the thefe well inoughe, but they loue
+nothynge worse then to here of it.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> That is
+very trewe.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Howe lytle dyffers he from a
+thefe whiche boroweth money of one and other and
+so runneth in dette, with this intent and purpose
+that yf he maye escape so or fynde suche a crafty
+colour or a subtyle shyft, he intendeth neuer to
+paye that he oweth.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Paraduenture he maye be
+called warer or more craftier thê a thefe is in
+dede but no poynt better, for it is hard chosyng
+of a better where there is neuer a good of them
+bothe.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> yea but althoughe there be in euery
+place a great nombre of such makeshyftes and
+slypper marchauntes yet the starkest knaue of thê
+all can not abyde to be called thefe.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> God
+onely knoweth euery mãnes hart and mynd, and
+therfore they are called of vs men that are runne
+in dette or fer behynde the hande, but not theues
+for that soun<span class = "pagenum">46</span>deth vnswetely and lyke a
+playne song note.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> What skyllys it howe they
+be called amõge men yf they be theues afore god.
+And where you say that god onely knoweth euery
+mannes hart and mynde, euen so euery man knoweth
+his owne mynde, whether in his wordes &amp; doynges he
+entende fraude, couyn, dysceyte, and thefte or
+no. But what say ye by hym whiche when he oweth
+more then he is worthe, wyll not stycke to lashe
+prodygallye and set the cocke vpon the hoope, and
+yet yf he haue any money at all lefte to spende
+that a waye vnthryftely, and when he hathe played
+the parte of a knauyshe spendall in one cytie
+deludinge and disceyuyng his creditours, ronnes
+out of this countre and getteth hym to some other
+good towne, and there sekynge for straûgers and
+newe acquayntaûce whom he may lykewyse begyle, yea
+and playeth many suche lyke partes and shameful
+shiftes. I praye the tell me dothe not suche a
+<span class = "pagenum">47</span>greke declare euydentlye by his crafty
+dealynge and false demeanour, what mynde is he of?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> yes suerly as euydentlye as can be
+possible. But yet suche felowes are wonte to
+colour and cloke theyr doynges vnder a craftie
+pretence.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> With what I beseche the?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> They
+saye to owe moche and to dyuers persones is
+communely vsed of great men, yea and of kynges
+also as well as of them, and therfore they that
+intende to be of that disposycyon wyll beare out
+to the harde hedge the porte of a gentylman and
+soo they wyll be taken and estemed for gentilmen
+of the commune people.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> A gentylman and why or
+to what entent and purpose a gentylman?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> It
+is a straunge thynge to be spoken howe moche they
+thynke it is mete for a gentylman or a horseman to
+take vpon hym.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> By what equytie, authoritie,
+or lawes.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> By none other but by the selfe
+same lawes that the Admiralles of the <span class = "pagenum">48</span>sees
+chalenge a proprietie in all suche thynges as are
+cast vpon the shoore by wracke, althoughe the
+ryghte owner come forthe and chalenge his owne
+goodes. And also by the same lawes that some other
+men saye all is theyrs what soeuer is founde
+aboute a thefe or a robber whê he is takê.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+Such lawes as these are the arrantest theues that
+are myght make them selues.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> yea and ye may be
+sure they wold gladly w<sup>t</sup> al theyr harts î their
+bodies make suche lawes yf they coulde mayntayne
+them or were of power to se them executed, and
+they myght haue some thynge to laye for theyr
+excuse if they could proclayme opyn warre before
+they fell to robbynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> But who gaue that
+pryuylege rather to a horseman then to a foteman,
+or more to a gentylman thê to a good yeman.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+The fauoure that is shewed to men of warre, for by
+suche shyftes and thus they practyse before to be
+good men of warre that they <span class = "pagenum">49</span>maye be more
+redy &amp; hansome to spoyle theyr enemyes when they
+shall encounter with thê.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I thynke Pyrhus
+dyd so exercyse and breake his yonge souldyers to
+the warres.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> No not Pyrrhus but the
+Lacedemonians dyd.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Mary syr hange vp suche
+practysers or soldyers and theyr practisyng to.
+But howe come they by the name of horsemen or
+gentylmen that they vsurpe suche a great
+prerogatyue?<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Some of them are gentylmê borne
+and it cometh to them by auncestrie, some bye it
+by the meanes of maystrys money, and other some
+gette it by certayne shyftes.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> But maye euery
+man that wyl and lyst come by it by shyftes?<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+Yea why not, euery man maye be a gentylman nowe
+adayes very well and yf theyr condicions and
+maners be accordynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> What maners or
+condicions must suche one haue I beseche the?<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+Yf he be occupyed aboute no goodnesse, yf he can
+ruffle it <span class = "pagenum">50</span>and swashe in his satens and his
+silkes and go gorgiously apparelled, yf he can
+ratle in his rynges vpon the fyngers endes, yf he
+can playe the ruffyan and the horemonger and kepe
+a gaye hoore gallantlye, yf he be neuer well at
+ease but when he is playenge at the dyse, yf he be
+able to matche as moche an vnthryfte as hym selfe
+with a newe payre of cardes, yf he spende his tyme
+lyke an epycure vpon bankettinge, sumptuous fare,
+and all kynde of pleasures, yf he talke of no
+rascalles nor beggars, but bragge, bost, face,
+brace, and crake of castelles, towers, and
+skyrmysshes, and yf all his talke be of the warres
+and blody battels, and playe the parte of
+crackinge Thraso throughly, such gaye grekes,
+lusty brutes and ionkers may take vpon them to be
+at defyaunce withe whome they wyll and lyst,
+thoughe the gentylman haue neuer a fote of lande
+to lyue vpon.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Call ye them horsmen. Mary syr
+suche horsemen are wel <span class = "pagenum">51</span>worthy to ryde vpõ
+the gallowes, these are gentylmen of the Iebet of
+all that euer I haue harde of.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> But yet there
+be not afewe suche in that parte of Germany called
+Nassen or Hessen.</p>
+<p align = "center"><span class = "extended">FINIS</span><br>
+<br>
+<hr>
+<p align = "center">Trãslated by Edmonde Becke<br>
+And prynted at Cantorbury<br>
+in saynt Paules parishe<br>
+by Johñ Mychell.<br>
+<br>
+<img src = "images/maltese_cross.png" width = "24" height = "24" alt = "[+]"></p>
+
+<div>*** END OF THE PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK 14500 ***</div>
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+       *       *       *       *       *
+           *       *       *       *
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+                [C]Two dyaloges
+                wrytten in laten
+         by the famous clerke. D. Eras-
+         mus of Roterodame/ one called
+          Polyphemus or the gospeller/
+         the other dysposyng of thynges
+             and names/ translated
+               in to Englyshe by
+                    Edmonde
+                     Becke.
+           And prynted at Cantorbury
+            in saynt Paules paryshe
+                by Johñ Mychell.
+                      [+]
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+
+           The preface to the Reader.
+
+  Lucius Anneus Seneca amonge many other pratie
+  saienges (gentle reder) hathe this also, whiche in
+  my iudgement is as trew as it is wittie. Rogãdo
+  cogit qui rogat superior. And in effecte is thus
+  moch to say, yf a mãnes superior or his better
+  desyre any thige, he might aswell cõmãde it by
+  authoritie as ones to desyre it.
+
+  A gentleman a nere cosyn of myne, but moch nerer
+  in fryndshyp, eftesones dyd instant and moue me to
+  translate these two dyaloges folowynge, to whose
+  getlenes I am so moch obliged, indetted and
+  bounde, that he myght well haue cõmaunded me to
+  this and more paynes: to whome I do not onely owe
+  seruyce, but my selfe also. And in accõplysshynge
+  of his most honest request (partly by cause I
+  wolde not the moost inhumane fawte of Ingratitude
+  shuld wor||thely be imputed to me, & that I
+  might in this thynge also (accordynge to my
+  bounden dutie) gratifie my frende) I haue hassard
+  my selfe in these daungerous dayes, where many
+  are so capcyous, some prone and redy to malygne &
+  depraue, and fewe whose eares are not so
+  festidious, tendre, and redy to please, that in
+  very tryfles & thynges of small importaunce, yet
+  exacte dylygence and exquisite iudgement is loked
+  for and requyred, of them whiche at this present
+  wyll attempte to translate any boke be it that the
+  matter be neuer so base. But what diligence I have
+  enployed in the translaciõ hereof I referre it to
+  the iudgement of the lerned sort, whiche cõferynge
+  my translacion with the laten dyaloges, I dowte
+  not wyl condone and pardone my boldnesse, in that
+  that I chalenge the semblable lybertie whiche the
+  translatours of this tyme iustlie chalenge. For
+  some heretofore submytting them selfe to
+  seruytude, haue lytle ||respecte to the
+  obseruaciõ of the thyng which in translacyõ is of
+  all other most necessary and requisite, that is to
+  saye, to rendre the sence & the very meanyng of
+  the author, not so relygyouslie addicte to
+  translate worde for worde, for so the sence of the
+  author is oftentimes corrupted & depraued, and
+  neyther the grace of the one tonge nor yet of the
+  other is truely observed or aptlie expressed. The
+  lerned knoweth that euery tonge hathe his peculyer
+  proprietie, phrase, maner of locucion, enargies
+  and vehemêcie, which so aptlie in any other tõg
+  can not be expressed. Yf I shal perceyue this my
+  symple doinge to be thankefully taken, and in good
+  parte accepted, it shall encorage me hereafter to
+  attempte the translaciõ of some bokes dysposing of
+  matters bothe delectable, frutefull, & expedient
+  to be knowen, by the grace of God, who gyuynge me
+  quyetnes of mynde, lybertie, and abylytie, shall
+  not desyste to communicat the frute of my
+  ||spare howers, to such as are not lerned in
+  the laten tonge: to whome I dedycat the fyrste
+  frutes of this my symple translacyon.
+
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+          A declaracion of the names.
+
+        Poliphemus sygnifieth, valyant
+      or noble, and in an other sygnifi-
+   cacion, talcatyfe or clybbe of tong. The
+      name of a Gyant called Cyclops, ha-
+     uynge but one eye in his forhed, of a
+     huge stature and a myghtie personage.
+    And is aplyed here to sygnifie a great
+     freke or a lubber, as this Poliphemus
+      was, whiche beynge a man of warre or
+     a courtyer, had a newe testament in his
+       hande, and loked buselie for some
+        sentence or text of scrypture
+              and that Cannius his
+                companyõ espyed
+                  and sayd to
+                   hî as fo-
+                    loweth.
+
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+  [C]The parsons names are Cannius and Poliphemus.
+
+  Cannius. what hunt Polipheme for here? Poliphemus.
+  Aske ye what I hunt for here, and yet ye se me
+  haue neyther dogges, dart, Jauelyn, nor huntyng
+  staffe. Cannius. Paraduenture ye hunt after some
+  praty nymphe of the couert. Poliphemus. By my
+  trouth and well coniectured, be holde what a
+  goodly pursenet, or a hay I haue here in my hande.
+  Cannius. Benedicite, what a straunge syght is
+  this, me thinke I se Bachus in a lyons skin,
+  Poliphemus with a boke in his hande. This is a
+  dogge in a doblet, a sowe with a sadle, of all
+  that euer I se it is a non decet. Poliphe. I haue
+  not onely paynted and garnyshed my boke with
+  saffron, but also I haue lymmed it withe Sinople,
+  asaphetida, redleed, vermilõ, and byse. Can. It is
+  a warlyke boke, for it is furnished with knottes,
+  tassils ||plates, claspes, and brasen bullyons.
+  Poliphe. Take the boke in your hand and loke
+  within it. Canni. I se it wery well. Truly it
+  is a praty boke, but me thynkes ye haue not yet
+  trymmed it sufficiently for all your cost ye have
+  bestowed upon it. Poliphe. Why what lackes  it?
+  Canni. Thou shuldest haue set thyne armes upon it.
+  Poliphemus. what armes I beseche the? Cãnius. Mary
+  the heed of Silenus, an olde iolthed drunkard
+  totynge out of a hoggeshed or a tunne, but in good
+  ernest, wherof dothe your boke dyspose or
+  intreate? dothe it teache the art and crafte to
+  drynke a duetaunt? Poli. Take hede in goddes name
+  what ye say lest ye bolt out a blasphemie before
+  ye be ware. Cãnius. why bydde ye me take hede what
+  I saye? is there any holy matter in the boke?
+  Poli. what mã it is the gospell boke, I trow there
+  is nothynge can be more holye. Cannius. God for
+  thy grace what hathe Poliphemus to do withe the
+  gospell? ||Poli. Nay why do ye not aske what a
+  chrysten man hathe to do with christe? Cannius.
+  I can not tell but me thynkes a rousty byll or a
+  halbard wold become such a great lubber or a
+  slouyn as thou arte a great deale better, for yf
+  it were my chaûce to mete such one and knewe
+  him not upon seeborde, and he loked so lyke a
+  knaue and a ruffyã as thou dost I wolde take hym
+  for a pirate or a rouer upon the see/ and if I met
+  such one in the wood for an arrante thefe, and a
+  man murderer. Poli. yea good syr but the gospell
+  teache vs this same lesson, that we shuld not
+  iudge any person by his loke or by his externall &
+  outwarde apparaunce. For lyke wyse as many tymes
+  vnder a graye freers coote a tyrannous mynde lyeth
+  secretly hyd, eue so a polled heed, a crispe or a
+  twyrled berde, a frowninge, a ferse, or a dogged
+  loke, a cappe, or a hat with an oystrich fether, a
+  soldyers cassocke, a payre of hoose all to cut and
+  manglyd, may co||uer an euangelycall mynde.
+  Cannius. why not, mary God forbyd elles, yea &
+  many tymes a symple shepe lyeth hyd in a wolfes
+  skynne, and yf a man maye credite and beleue the
+  fables of Aesope, an asse maye lye secretely
+  unknowen by cause he is in a lyons skynne.
+  Poliphe. Naye I knowe hym whiche bereth a shepe
+  vpon his heed, and a sore in his brest, to whome I
+  wold wysshe with al my hart that he had as whyte
+  and as fauorable frendes as he hathe blacke eyes.
+  And I wolde wisshe also that he were as well guylt
+  ouer and ouer as he hathe a colour mete to take
+  guyltynge. Canni. Yf ye take hym to were a shepe
+  vpon his heed, that weareth a cappe of woll, howe
+  greuously than art thou lodyn, or what an
+  excedynge heuy burdê bearest thou then I praye the
+  whiche bearest a hoole shepe and an ostryche to
+  vpon thy heed? But what saye ye to hî doth not
+  he more folyssly which beareth a byrd vpon his
+  heed, and an asse in his ||brest. Poliphemus.
+  There ye nypped & taunted me in dede. Cannius. But
+  I wolde saye this geere dyd wonderous wel yf this
+  gospel boke dyd so adourne the with vertue as thou
+  hast adourned lymmed, and gorgiously garnysshed it
+  with many gay goodly glystryng ornamentes. Mary
+  syr thou hast set it forth in his ryght colours in
+  dede, wolde to god it might so adourne the with
+  good cõdiciõs that thou myghtest ones lerne to be
+  an honest man. Poli. There shall be no defaute in
+  me, I tell you I wyll do my diligence. Can. Naye
+  there is no doute of that, there shall be no more
+  faute in you now I dare say then was wonte to be.
+  Poli. Yea but (youre tarte tauntes, and youre
+  churlysshe checkes, and raylynges set asyde) tell
+  me I pray the this one thynge, do you thus
+  disprayse, condempne, or fynde faute with them
+  whiche caryeth aboute with them the newe testament
+  or the gospel boke? Canni. No by my fayth do I not
+  good ||praty man. Poliphe. Call ye me but a
+  praty one and I am hygher then you by ye length
+  of a good asses heed. Can. I thynke not fully so
+  moche yf the asse stretch forth his eares, but go
+  to it skyllis no matter of that, let it passe, he
+  that bare Christ vpon his backe was called
+  Christofer, and thou whiche bearest the gospell
+  boke aboute with the shall for Poliphemus be
+  called the gospeller or the gospell bearer. Polip.
+  Do not you counte it an holy thynge to cary aboute
+  with a man the newe testament? Cãni. why no syr by
+  my trouth do I not, except thou graunte the very
+  asses to be holy to. Poli. How can an asse be
+  holy? Cannius. For one asse alone is able to beare
+  thre hundreth suche bokes, and I thynke suche a
+  great lubber as thou art were stronge inoughe to
+  beare as great a burden, and yf thou had a hansome
+  packesadle sette vpon thy backe. Poliphe. And yet
+  for all your iestynge it is not agaynst good
+  reason to saye ||that ye asse was holy which
+  bore christ. Cannius. I do not enuye you man for
+  this holynes for I had as lefe you had that
+  holynes as I, and yf it please you to take it I
+  wyll geue you an holy & a religious relyke of the
+  selfe same asse whiche christ rode vpon, and whan
+  ye haue it ye may kysse it lycke it and cull it as
+  ofte as ye lyst. Poli. Mary syr I thanke you, ye
+  can not gyue me a more thanckefull gyfte nor do me
+  a greatter pleasure, for that asse withouten any
+  tayle was made as holye as any asse could be by
+  the touchynge of christes body. Cannius. Undouted
+  they touched christes body also whiche stroke and
+  buffeted christ. Poliphe. yea but tell me this one
+  thynge I praye the in good ernest. Is it not a
+  great sygne of holynes in a man to cary aboute the
+  gospel boke or the newe testament? Cannius. It is
+  a token of holynes in dede if it be done without
+  hypocrysie, I meane if it be done without
+  dissimulacion/ and for ||that end, intent &
+  purpose, that it shuld be done for. Poliphe. What
+  the deuyl & a morten tellest thou a man of warre
+  of hypocrisie, away with hypocrisie to the monkes
+  and the freers. Cannius. Yea but bycause ye saye
+  so, tell me fyrste I praye you what ye call
+  hypocrisie. Po. When a man pretendis another thyng
+  outwardly then he meanis secretly in his mynde.
+  Cannius. But what dothe the bearynge aboute of the
+  newe testament sygnyfie. Dothe it not betoken that
+  thy lyfe shulde be conformable to the gospell
+  which thou carryest aboute with the. Poli.
+  I thynke well it dothe. Cannius. Wel then when thy
+  lyfe is not conformable to the boke, is not that
+  playne hypocrisie. Poliph. Tell me thê  what you
+  call the trewe carienge of the gospell boke aboute
+  with a man. Cãni. Sõme men beare it aboute with
+  them in theyr hãdes (as the gray freers were wonte
+  to beare the rule of saynt Fraunces) and so the
+  porters of Londõ, Asses ||& horses may beare
+  it as well as they. And there be some other that
+  carry the gospel in theyr mouthes onlie, and such
+  haue no other talke but al of christ and his
+  gospell, and that is a very poynt of a pharysey.
+  And some other carrye it in theyr myndes. But in
+  myne opynion he beares the gospell boke as he
+  shuld do whiche bothe beares it in his hande,
+  cõmunes of it with his mouth whan occasyon of
+  edyfyenge of his neyghboure whan conuenyent
+  oportunytie is mynystred to him, and also beares
+  it in his mynde and thynkes vpon it withe his
+  harte. Poli. Yea thou art a mery felow, where
+  shall a man fynde suche blacke swãnes? Cannius. In
+  euery cathedrall church, where there be any
+  deacons, for they beare the gospel boke î theyr
+  hãde, they synge the gospell aloude, somtyme in a
+  lofte that the people may heare thê, althoughe
+  they do not vnderstand it, and theyr myndes are
+  vpõ it when they synge it. Polphe. And yet for all
+  your ||sayenge all suche deacons are no saynttes
+  that beare the gospell so in theyr myndes.
+  Cannius. But lest ye play the subtyle and
+  capcious sophystryar with me I wyll tell you this
+  one thynge before. No man can beare the gospell in
+  his mynde but he must nedes loue it from the
+  bothum of his harte, no man loueth it inwardly and
+  from the bothû of his harte but he must nedes
+  declare and expresse the gospell in his lyuinge,
+  outwarde maners, & behauour. Poli. I can not skyll
+  of youre subtyle reasonynges, ye are to fyne for
+  me. Can. Thê I wyll commune with you after a
+  grosser maner, and more playnly. yf thou dyddest
+  beare a tankard of good Reynyshe wyne vpon thy
+  shulders onelye, what other thynge were it to the
+  then a burden. Poliphe. It were none other thynge
+  truly, it is no great pleasure so beare wyne.
+  Cannius. What and yf thou dranke asmoche as thou
+  coudest well holde in thy mouthe, after the manner
+  of ||a gargarisme & spyt it out agayne. Po.
+  That wolde do me no good at all, but take me not
+  with suche a faute I trow, for the wyne is very
+  bad and if I do so. Canni. But what and yf thou
+  drynke thy skynne full as thou art wont to do, whê
+  thou comest where good wyne is. Poliphe. Mary
+  there is nothyng more godly or heuynly. Cannius.
+  It warmes you at the stomacke, it settes your body
+  in a heate, it makes you loke with a  ruddy face,
+  and setteth your hart vpon a mery pynne. Poliphe.
+  That is suerly so as ye saye in dede. Canni. The
+  gospell is suche a lyke thynge of all this worlde,
+  for after that it hathe ones persed & entered in
+  the veynes of the mynd it altereth, transposeth,
+  and cleane changeth vpsodowne the whole state of
+  mã, and chaungeth hym cleane as it were into a
+  nother man. Polip. Ah ha, nowe I wot wherabout ye
+  be, belyke ye thîke that I lyue not accordynge to
+  the gospell or as a good gospeller shulde do.
+  ||Cannius. There is no man can dyssolue this
+  questiõ better then thy selfe. Poli. Call ye it
+  dissoluynge? Naye and yf a thynge come to
+  dyssoluynge gyue me a good sharpe axe in my hande
+  and I trow I shall dyssolue it well inoughe.
+  Canni. What woldest thou do, I praye the, and yf a
+  man shulde say to thy teth thou lyest falsely, or
+  elles call the by thy ryght name knaue in
+  englysshe. Poli. What wolde I do quod he, that is
+  a question in dede, mary he shulde feele the
+  wayghte of a payre of churlyshe fystes I warrant
+  the. Canni. And what and yf a man gaue you a good
+  cuffe vpon the eare that shulde waye a pounde?
+  Poliphe. It were a well geuen blowe that wolde
+  aduauntage hym. xx. by my trouthe and he escaped
+  so he myght say he rose vpon his ryght syde, but
+  it were maruayle & I cut not of his head harde by
+  his shulders. Canni. Yea but good felowe thy
+  gospell boke teacheth the to geue gentle answers,
+  and fayre wordes ||agayne for fowle, and to
+  hym that geueth the a blowe vpon the ryght cheke
+  to holde forth the lyfte. Poliphe. I do remembre I
+  haue red suche a thinge in my boke, but ye must
+  pardone me for I had quyte forgotten it. Can. Well
+  go to, what saye ye to prayer I suppose ye praye
+  very ofte. Poli. That is euyn as very a touche of
+  a pharesey as any can be. Cannius. I graunt it is
+  no lesse thê a poynte of a pharesey to praye longe
+  and faynedly vnder a colour or pretêce of holynes,
+  that is to saye when a man prayeth not frõ the
+  bothum of his hart but with the lyppes only and
+  from the tethe outward, and that in opyn places
+  where great resort of people is, bycause they wold
+  be sene. But thy gospel boke teacheth the to praye
+  contynually, but so that thy prayer come from the
+  bothu of the hart. Poli. Yea but yet for all my
+  sayenge I praye sumtyme. Can. When I beseche the
+  when ye art a slepe? Poli. When it cometh in to
+  my mynde, ones ||or twyse may chaunce in a weke.
+  Can. what prayer sayst thou? Poliphe. The lordes
+  prayer, the Pater noster. Canni. Howe many tymes
+  ouer? Poli. Onis, & I trowe it is often inoughe,
+  for the gospell forbyddeth often repetynge of
+  one thynge. Canni. Can ye saye your pater noster
+  through to an ende & haue youre mynde runnynge
+  vpon nothynge elles in all that whyle? Poli.
+  By my trouthe and ye wyll beleue me I neuer yet
+  assayed nor proued whether I coulde do it or no.
+  But is it not sufficient to saye it with my
+  mouthe? Can. I can not tell whether it be or
+  no. But I am sure god here vs not excepte we praye
+  from the bothum of our harte. But tell me another
+  thyng I wyll aske the. Doest thou not fast very
+  often? Poli. No neuer in all my lyfe tyme and yf
+  it were not for lacke of meate. Can. And yet thy
+  boke alowes and commendes hyghly bothe fastynge
+  and prayer. Polip. So coulde I alowe them but that
+  my belly can ||not well affare nor a way with
+  fastyng. Cannius. Yea but Paule sayth they are not
+  the seruauntes of Iesus Christe whiche serue theyr
+  belly & make it theyr god. Do you eate fleshe
+  euery day? Po. No neuer when I haue none to eate,
+  but I neuer refuse it when it is set before me,
+  and I neuer aske question not for cõscience but
+  for my belly sake. Can. Yea but these stronge
+  sturdy sydes of suche a chuffe and a lobbynge
+  lobye as thou arte wolde be fed well inoughe with
+  haye and barke of trees. Poliphe. Yea but chryste
+  sayd, that which entereth in at the mouthe
+  defyleth not the man. Canni. That is to be
+  vnderstand thus yf it be measurably taken, and
+  without the offendinge of our christian brother.
+  But Paule the disciple of chryst had rather
+  peryshe & sterue with hunger then onys to offende
+  his weyke brothren with his eatynge, and he
+  exhorteth vs to followe his example that in all
+  thynges we maye please all men. Poli. What tel
+  ||ye me of Paule, Paule is Paule and I am I.
+  Cannius. Do you gladly helpe to releue the poore
+  and the indygent with your goodes? Poli. Howe can
+  I helpe them whiche haue nothynge to gyue them,
+  and scant inoughe for my selfe. Cannius. ye myght
+  spare somthynge to helpe thê with yf thou woldest
+  playe the good husband in lyuynge more warely, in
+  moderatynge thy superfluous expenses, and in
+  fallynge to thy worke lustely. Poliphemus. Nay
+  then I were a fole in dede, a penyworth of ease is
+  euer worth a peny, and nowe I haue found so moch
+  pleasure in ease that I can not fall to no labour.
+  Canni. Do you kepe the commaundementes of god?
+  Polip. Nowe ye appose me, kepe the cõmaundementes
+  quod he, that is a payne in dede. Cannius. Art
+  thou sory for thy synnes and thyne offences, doest
+  thou ernestly repent the for thê. Poliphemus.
+  Christ hath payed the raunsome of synne and
+  satisfied for it alredy. Cannius. Howe ||prouest
+  thou then that thou louest the gospell and
+  fauoris the word of god as thou bearest men in
+  hande thou doest. Poliphemus. I wyll tell you that
+  by & by, and I dare saye you wyl confesse no
+  lesse your selfe then that I am an ernest
+  fauorer of the worde then I haue told you ye
+  tale. There was a certayne gray frere of the
+  order of saynt Fraunces with vs whiche neuer
+  ceased to bable and rayle agaynste the newe
+  testament of Erasmus, I chaunsed to talke with the
+  gêtylman pryuatly where no man was present but he
+  and I, and after I had communed awhyle with hym I
+  caught my frere by the polled pate with my left
+  hande and with my right hãde I drew out my daggar
+  and I pomelled the knaue frere welfauardly aboute
+  his skonce that I made his face as swollen and as
+  puffed as a puddynge. Cannius. what a tale is
+  this that thou tellest me. Poliphemus. How say you
+  is not this a good and a sufficient proue that I
+  fa||uer the gospell. I gaue hym absolucion afore
+  he departed out of my handes with this newe
+  testament thryse layde vpon his pate as harde as I
+  myght dryue yt I made thre bunches in his heed
+  as bygge as thre egges in the name of the father,
+  the sone, & the holy goost. Can. Now by my trouth
+  this was well done & lyke a ryght gospeller of
+  these dayes. Truly this is as they saye to
+  dyffende the gospell with the gospell. Poliphe.
+  I met another graye frere of the same curryshe
+  couent, that knaue neuer had done in raylynge
+  agaynst Erasmus, so sone as I had espyed hym I was
+  styrred and moued with the brenninge zele of the
+  gospell that in thretenyng of him I made hym knele
+  downe vpon his knees and crye Erasmus mercie and
+  desyred me to forgyue hym, I may saye to you it
+  was hyghe tyme for hym to fall downe vpon his
+  marybones, and yf he had not done it by and by I
+  had my hal||barde vp redy to haue gyuen hym
+  betwyxt the necke and the heade, I loked as grymme
+  as modie Mars when he is in furyous fume, it is
+  trewe that I tell you, for there was inoughe sawe
+  the frere and me yf I wolde make a lye. Cannius.
+  I maruayle the frere was not out of his wyt. But
+  to retourne to oure purpose agayne, dost thou lyue
+  chastly? Poliphemus. Peraduenture I maye do here
+  after when I am more stryken in age. But shall I
+  confesse the trouthe to the? Canni. I am no preest
+  man, therfore yf thou wylt be shryuen thou must
+  seke a preest to whome thou maye be lawfully
+  confessed. Poliphe. I am wont styl to cõfesse my
+  selfe to god, but I wyl confesse thus moche to the
+  at this tyme I am not yet become a perfyte
+  gospeller or an euangelical man, for I am but yet
+  as it were one of ye cõmune people, ye knowe wel
+  perde we gospellers haue iiii. gospels wrytten by
+  the .iiii. euange||lystes, & suche gospellers
+  as I am hunt busely, and chefely for .iiii.
+  thynges that we may haue. Unde. to prouyde dayntie
+  fare for the bellie, that nothynge be lackynge to
+  that parte of the body whiche nature hath placed
+  vnder the belly, ye wote what I meane, and to
+  obtayne and procure suche liuinge that we may lyue
+  welthely and at pleasure without carke & care. And
+  fynally that we maye do what we lyst without
+  checke or controlment, yf we gospellars lacke none
+  of all these thynges we crye and synge for ioye,
+  amonge our ful cuppes Io Io we tryumphe and are
+  wonderfull frolycke, we synge and make as mery as
+  cup and can, and saye the gospell is a lyue agayne
+  Chryst rayneth. Cannius. This is a lyfe for an
+  Epycure or a god belly and for no euangelicall
+  persone that professeth the gospell. Poli. I denye
+  not but that it is so as ye saye, but ye knowe
+  well that god is omnipotent and can do al thynges,
+  he can turne vs ||whê his wyll is sodenly in
+  to other maner of men. Cannius. So can he
+  transforme you in to hogges and swyne, the whiche
+  maye soner be done I iudge thê to chaunge you into
+  good men for ye are halfe swynyshe & hoggyshe
+  alredy, your lyuynge is so beastlie. Poliphe.
+  Holde thy peas mã wolde to god there were no men
+  that dyd more hurt in the world then swyne,
+  bullockes, asses, and camelles. A mã may se many
+  men now adayes more crueller then lyons, more
+  rauenynge thê wolues, more lecherous then sparous,
+  and that byte worse then mad dogges, more noysom
+  thê snakes, vepers and adders. Cannius. But nowe
+  good Polipheme remembre and loke vpon thy selfe
+  for it is hyghe tyme for the to laye a syde thy
+  beastly lyuynge, and to be tourned from a brute
+  and a sauage beast in to a man. Poliphemus. I
+  thanke you good neyghbour Cannius for by saynt
+  Mary I thynke your counsayle is good/for the
+  prophetes of this ||tyme sayth the worlde is
+  almost at an end, and we shall haue domes daye
+  (as they call it) shortely. Cannius. We haue
+  therfore more nede to prepare our selues in a
+  redines agaynst that day, and that with as moche
+  spede as maye be possible. Poliphemus. as for my
+  part I loke and wayte styll euery day for the
+  myghty hande and power of christ. Cannius. Take
+  hede therfore that thou, when christ shall laye
+  his myghty hande vpon the be as tendre as waxe,
+  that accordynge to his eternall wyll he maye
+  frayme & fashyon the with his hande. But wherby I
+  praye the dothe these prophetes coniecture &
+  gather that the worlde is almost at an ende.
+  Poliphe. Bycause men (they saye) do the selfe same
+  thinge nowe adayes that they dyd, and were wont to
+  do which were lyuynge in the worlde a lytle whyle
+  before the deluge or Noyes floode. They make
+  solempne feastes, they banket, they quaffe, they
+  booll, they bybbe, they ryot men mary, ||wome
+  are maryed, they go a catterwallynge and
+  horehuntinge, they bye, they sell, they lend to
+  vserie, and borowe vpon vserie, they builde, kîges
+  keepe warre one agaynst another, preestes studie
+  howe they maye get many benefyces and promociõs to
+  make them selfe riche and increase theyr worldly
+  substaunce, the diuynes make insolible sillogismus
+  and vnperfyte argumêtes, they gather conclusyons,
+  monkes and freers rûne, at rouers ouer all the
+  world, the comyn people are in a mase or a hurle
+  burle redy to make insurrections, and to conclude
+  breuelie there lackes no euyll miserie nor
+  myschefe, neyther hõger, thyrst fellonie,
+  robberie, warre, pestilence, sediciõ, derth, and
+  great scarsytie and lacke of all good thynges. And
+  howe say you do not all these thynges argue and
+  sufficientlie proue that the worlde is almost at
+  an ende? Cannius. Yea but tell me I praye the of
+  all thes hoole hepe of euyls and miseries whiche
+  greueth the ||moste? Poliphemus. Whiche
+  thynkes thou, tell me thy fansie and coniecture?
+  Cannius. That the Deuyll (god saue vs) maye daunce
+  in thy purse for euer a crosse that thou hast to
+  kepe hî for the. Poliphe. I pray god I dye and yf
+  thou haue not hyt the nayle vpon the head. Now as
+  chaunceth I come newly from a knotte of good
+  companye where we haue dronke harde euery man for
+  his parte, & I am not behynde with myne, and
+  therfore my wytte is not halfe so freshe as it
+  wyll be, I wyll dyspute of the gospell with the
+  whan I am sobre. Canni. When shal I se the sobre?
+  Poli. When I shall be sobre. Cannius. Whê wyll
+  that be? Poliph. When thou shalt se me, in the
+  meane season god be with you gentle Cannius and
+  well mot you do. Cannius. And I wyshe to you a
+  gayne for my parte that thou ware in dede as
+  valiaunt or pusaunt a felowe as thy name soundeth.
+  Poliphe. And bycause ye shall lose nothynge at my
+  ||hande with wyshynge I pray god that Cannius
+  maye neuer lacke a good can or a stoope of wine or
+  bere, wherof he had his name.
+
+                 F  I  N  I  S
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+          [C]The dialoge of thynges
+                  and names.
+
+
+           A declaracion of the names.
+
+         Beatus, is he whiche hathe abun
+        dance of al thinges that is good,
+      and is parfyte in all thynges commen-
+     dable or prayseworthy or to be desyred
+        of a good man. Somtyme it is ta-
+          ken for fortunate, ryche, or
+            noble. Bonifacius, fayre,
+              full of fauor or well
+                    fauored.
+                      [+]
+
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+  [C]The parsons names are Beatus and Bonifacius.
+
+  _Beatus._ God saue you mayster Boniface.
+  _Bonifacius._ God saue you & god saue you agayne
+  gêtle _Beatus._ But I wold god bothe we were such,
+  and so in very dede as we be called by name, that
+  is to say thou riche & I fayre. _Beatus._ Why do
+  you thynke it nothynge worth at al to haue a goodly
+  glorious name. _Bonifacius._ Truely me thynke it is
+  of no valure or lytle good worthe, onles a man
+  haue the thynge itselfe whiche is sygnified by the
+  name. _Beatus._ Yea you maye well thynke your
+  pleasure, but I am assured that the most part of
+  all mortall men be of another mynde. _Bonifa._ It
+  may wel be I do not denye that they are mortal,
+  but suerly I do not byleue that they are me, which
+  are so beastly mynded. _Bea._ Yes good syr and they
+  be men to laye ||your lyfe, onlesse ye thynke
+  camels and asses do walke about vnder the fygure
+  and forme of men. _Boni._ Mary I can soner beleue
+  that then that they be men whiche esteme and passe
+  more vpon the name, then the thynge. _Bea._
+  I graunte in certayne kyndes of thinges moost men
+  had rather haue the thynge then the name, but in
+  many thynges it is otherwyse and cleane cõtrary.
+  _Bo._ I can not well tell what ye meane by that.
+  _Bea._ And yet the example of this matter is
+  apparant or sufficiently declared in vs two. Thou
+  arte called Bonifacius and thou hast in dede the
+  thynge wherby thou bearest thy name. Yet if there
+  were no other remedy but eyther thou must lacke
+  the one or the other, whether had you rather haue
+  a fowle and deformed face or elles for Boniface be
+  called Maleface or horner? _Boni._ Beleue me I had
+  rather be called fowle Thersites then haue a
+  monstrous or a deformyed face, whether I haue a
+  good face or no ||I can not tell. _Bea._ And
+  euen so had I for yf I were ryche and there were
+  no remedy but that I must eyther forgoo my
+  rychesse, or my name I had rather be called Irus
+  whiche was a poore beggers name then lacke my
+  ryches. _Boni._ I agree to you for asmoch as ye
+  speake the trouth, and as you thynke. _Bea._ Iudge
+  all them to be of the same mynde that I am of
+  whiche are indued with helthe or other commodities
+  and qualities appartaynynge to the body. _Boni._
+  That is very trewe. _Bea._ Yea but I praye the
+  cõsyder and marke howe many men we se whiche had
+  rather haue the name of a lerned and a holy man,
+  then to be well lerned, vertuous, & holy in dede.
+  _Boni._ I knowe a good sorte of suche men for my
+  part. _Bea._ Tell me thy fãtasie I pray the do not
+  suche men passe more vpon the name then the
+  thinge? _Boni._ Methynke thy do. _Bea._ Yf we had a
+  logician here whiche could well and clarkelie
+  defyne what were a kynge, what a bysshoppe,
+  ||what a magistrate, what a philosopher is,
+  paduêture we shuld find som amõg these iolly
+  felowes whiche had rather haue the name then the
+  thynge. _Boni._ Surely & so thynke I. Yf he be a
+  kinge whiche by lawe and equyte regardes more the
+  commoditie of his people then his owne lucre/yf he
+  be a bisshop which alwayes is careful for the
+  lordes flocke cõmytted to his pastorall charge/yf
+  he be a magistrate which frankelie and of good
+  wyll dothe make prouysyon, and dothe all thinge
+  for the comyn welthes sake/and yf he be a
+  phylosopher whiche passynge not vpon the goodes of
+  this worlde, only geueth hym selfe to attayn to a
+  good mynde, and to leade a vertuous lyfe. _Bea._
+  Lo thus ye may perseyue what a nombre of semblable
+  exãples ye may collecte & gether. _Boni._ Undouted
+  a great sorte. _Bea._ But I pray the tel me wyll
+  you saye that all these are no men. _Boni._ Nay I
+  feare rather lest in so sayenge it shulde cost vs
+  our lyues, and ||so myght we our selues shortelye
+  be no men. _Bea._ Yf man be a resonable creature,
+  howe ferre dyffers this from all good reason, that
+  in cõmodities apertayning to the body (for so
+  they deserue rather to be called then goodnes) and
+  in outwarde gyftes whiche dame fortune geues and
+  takes awaye at her pleasure, we had rather haue
+  the thynge then the name, and in the true and only
+  goodnes of the mynd we passe more vpon the name
+  then the thynge. _Boni._ So god helpe me it is a
+  corrupte and a preposterours iudgement, yf a man
+  marke and consyder it wel. _Bea._ The selfe same
+  reason is in contrarie thinges. _Boni._ I wolde
+  gladly knowe what ye meane by that. _Bea._ We maye
+  iudge lykewyse the same of the names of thynges to
+  be eschued, and incommodites which was spoken of
+  thynges to be diffyred and cõmodites. _Boni._ Nowe
+  I haue considered the thynges well, it apereth to
+  be euen so as ye saye in dede. __Bea.__ It
+  shulde be ||more feared of a good prynce to be
+  a tyraunt in dede then to haue the name of a
+  tyraunt. And yf an euyll bysshop be a thefe and a
+  robber, then we shulde not so greatly abhorre and
+  hate the name as the thynge. _Boni._ Eyther so it
+  is or so it shuld be. _Bea._ Nowe gather you of the
+  rest as I haue done of the prynce & the bysshop.
+  _Boni._ Me thynkes I vnderstande this gere
+  wonderouse well. _Bea._ Do not all men hate the
+  name of a fole or to be called a moome, a sotte,
+  or an asse? _Boni._ Yeas as moche as they do any
+  one thynge. _Bea._ And how saye you were not he a
+  starke fole that wold fishe with a goldê bayte,
+  that wolde preferre or esteme glasse better then
+  precious stones, or whiche loues his horse or
+  dogges better then his wyfe and his chyldrê?
+  _Boni._ He were as wyse as waltoms calfe, or
+  madder then iacke of Redyng. _Bea._ And be not
+  they as wyse whiche not assygned, chosen, nor yet
+  ones appoynted by the magistrates, but vpon ||theyr
+  owne heed aduenture to runne to the warres for
+  hoope of a lytle gayne, ieoperdynge theyr bodyes
+  and daungerynge theyr soules? Or howe wyse be
+  they which busie thê selfe to get, gleyne, and
+  reepe to gyther, goodes and ryches when they haue
+  a mynde destitute and lackyng all goodness? Are
+  not they also euen as wyse that go gorgyously
+  apparylled, and buyldes goodly sumptuous houses,
+  when theyr myndes are not regarded but neglect
+  fylthye and with all kynde of vyce fowle
+  corrupted? And how wyse are they whiche are
+  carefull diligent and busie, about the helthe of
+  theyr body neglectynge and not myndynge at all
+  theyr soule, in daunger of so many deedly synnes?
+  And fynally to conclude howe wyse be they whiche
+  for a lytle shorte transytorye pleasure of this
+  lyfe deserue euerlastynge tormentes and
+  punyshementes? _Boni._ Euen reason forseth me to
+  graunt that they are more then frãtyke and
+  folyshe. _Bea._ Yea ||but althoughe all the
+  whole worlde be full of suche fooles, a man can
+  scaselye fynde one whiche can abyde the name of a
+  foole, and yet they deserue to be called so for
+  asmoche as they hate not the thynge. _Boni._ Suerly
+  it is euen so as ye seye. _Bea._ Ye knowe also howe
+  the names of a lyar and a thefe are abhorred and
+  hated of all men. _Boni._ They are spyteful and
+  odious names, and abhorred of all men, and not
+  withe out good cause why. _Bea._ I graunte that,
+  but althoughe to commyt adulterie be a more wycked
+  synne then thefte yet for al that some men reioyse
+  and shewe them selfe glad of that name, whiche
+  wolde be redy by and by to drawe theyr swerdes and
+  fyghte withe a man that wolde or durst call them
+  theues. _Boni._ It is true there are many wolde
+  take it euyll as you saye in dede. _Bea._ And nowe
+  it is commyn to that poynt that thoughe there are
+  many vnthryftes and spêdals whiche consume theyr
+  substaunce at the ||wyne and vpon harlottes,
+  and yet so wyllynge to continewe openly that all
+  the worlde wonders at them, yet they wyll be
+  offended and take peper in the noose yf a man
+  shulde call them ruffyans or baudy knaues. _Boni._
+  Suche fellowes thynke they deserue prayse for the
+  thynge, and yet for all that they can not abyde
+  the name dewe to the thinge whiche they deserue.
+  _Bea._ There is scarslye any name amonges vs more
+  intollerable or worse can be abydden then to be
+  called a lyar or a lyeng fellowe. _Boni._ I haue
+  knowen some or this whiche haue kylled men for
+  suche a spytefull worde as that is. _Bea._ Yea yea
+  but wolde god suche hasty fellowes dyd as well
+  abhorre the thinge and hate lienge as well as to
+  be called lyers, was it neuer thy chaunce to be
+  dysceyued of any man whiche borowinge mony of the
+  appoyntynge the a certayne daye to repaye the sayd
+  money and so performyd not his appoyntment nor
+  kept his day? ||_Boni._ Yeas many tymes (god
+  knoweth) and yet hath he sworne many a greuous
+  othe and that not one tyme but many tymes. _Bea._
+  Peraduenture he wolde haue ben so honest as to
+  haue payed it and yf he had had wherwith. _Boni._
+  Naye that is not so for he was able inoughe, but
+  as he thought it better neuer to paye his dettes.
+  _Bea._ And what call you this in englyshe, is it
+  not playne lyenge? _Boni._ Yes as playne as
+  Dunstable way, there can not be a lowder lye then
+  this is. _Bea._ Durste you be so bolde to pulle
+  one of these good detters of yours by the sleue and
+  saye thus to hym, why hast thou dysceyued me so
+  many tymes and broken promyse with me, or to talke
+  to hym in playne englyshe, why doest thou make me
+  so many lyes? _Boni._ Why no syr by my trouthe
+  durst I not, excepte I were mynded before to chaûge
+  halfe a dosen drye blowes with hym. _Bea._ Dothe
+  not masons Brekelayers, Carpenters, Smy||thes,
+  Goldsmithes, Taylours, disceyue and disapoynt vs
+  after the lyke maner daylye promysynge to do youre
+  worke suche a daye and suche a daye without any
+  fayle, or further delaye, and yet for all that
+  they parforme not theyr promesse althoughe it
+  stande the neuer somoche vpon hande, or that thou
+  shuldest take neuer so moche profyte by it. _Boni._
+  This is a wonderous and strange vnshamefast
+  knauerye of all that euer I hard of. But and ye
+  speake of breakers of promyse then ye maye reken
+  amongest them lawyers and atturneys at the lawe,
+  which wyl not stycke to promyse or beare you in
+  hande that they wyll be diligent and ernest in the
+  furtheraûce and spedie expedicion of your sute.
+  _Bea._ Reken quod he, naye ye maye reken fyve
+  hundreth mennes names besyde these of sundrye
+  faculties and occupacions whiche wyll promyse more
+  by an ynch of a candle then they wyll performe by
+  a whole pounde. _Boni._ Why ||and ye call this
+  lyenge all the worlde is full of suche lyenge.
+  _Bea._ Ye se also lykewyse that no man can abyde to
+  be called thefe, and yet all men do not abhorre
+  the thynge so greatly. _Boni._ I wolde gladly haue
+  you to declare your mynde in this more playnlye &
+  at large. _Bea._ What difference is there betwene
+  hym whiche stealeth thy money forthe of thy cofer,
+  and hym whiche forsweareth and falsely denyeth
+  that whiche thou cõmytted to his custodie to be
+  reserued and safely kept for thy vse only, or to
+  suche tyme as thou arte mynded to call for it
+  agayne. _Boni._ There is as they say neyther
+  barrell better hearing, but that in my iudgement
+  he is the falser knaue of the twayne whiche robbes
+  a man that puttes his confidence and trust in hym.
+  _Bea._ yea but howe fewe men are there nowe adayes
+  lyuynge whiche are contente to restore agayne that
+  whiche they were put in truste to kepe, or yf they
+  deluer it agayne it is ||so dymynysshed,
+  gelded, nypped, and pynched, that it is not
+  delyuered whollye, but some thinge cleues in theyr
+  fyngers, that the prouerbe may haue place where
+  the horse walloweth there lyeth some heares.
+  _Boni._ I thynke but a fewe that dothe otherwyse.
+  _Bea._ And yet for all that there is none of al
+  these that cã abyde it ones to be called thefe,
+  and yet forsothe they hate not the thing so
+  greatly. _Boni._ That is as trewe as the gospell.
+  _Bea._ Consyder me nowe and marke I beseche the
+  howe the goodes of orphanes, pupylls, wardes, and
+  fatherlesse chyldren be cõmunely ordered and vsed,
+  how wylles and testamentes be executed and
+  performed, how legacyes and bequethes be communelye
+  payde, Naye howe moche cleueth and hangeth fast in
+  the fyngers of the executors or with them that
+  mynyster and intermedle with the goodes of the
+  testatours. _Boni._ Many tymes they retayne and
+  kepe in theyr handes all togy||ther. _Bea._ Yea
+  they loue to playe the thefe well inoughe, but they
+  loue nothynge worse then to here of it. _Boni._
+  That is very trewe. _Bea._ Howe lytle dyffers he
+  from a thefe whiche boroweth money of one and other
+  and so runneth in dette, with this intent and
+  purpose that yf he maye escape so or fynde suche a
+  crafty colour or a subtyle shyft, he intendeth
+  neuer to paye that he oweth. _Boni._ Paraduenture
+  he maye be called warer or more craftier thê a
+  thefe is in dede but no poynt better, for it is
+  hard chosyng of a better where there is neuer a
+  good of them bothe. _Bea._ yea but althoughe there
+  be in euery place a great nombre of such
+  makeshyftes and slypper marchauntes yet the
+  starkest knaue of thê all can not abyde to be
+  called thefe. _Boni._ God onely knoweth euery mãnes
+  hart and mynd, and therfore they are called of vs
+  men that are runne in dette or fer behynde the
+  hande, but not theues for that soun||deth vnswetely
+  and lyke a playne song note. _Bea._ What skyllys it
+  howe they be called amõge men yf they be theues
+  afore god. And where you say that god onely knoweth
+  euery mannes hart and mynde, euen so euery man
+  knoweth his owne mynde, whether in his wordes &
+  doynges he entende fraude, couyn, dysceyte, and
+  thefte or no. But what say ye by hym whiche when he
+  oweth more then he is worthe, wyll not stycke to
+  lashe prodygallye and set the cocke vpon the hoope,
+  and yet yf he haue any money at all lefte to spende
+  that a waye vnthryftely, and when he hathe played
+  the parte of a knauyshe spendall in one cytie
+  deludinge and disceyuyng his creditours, ronnes
+  out of this countre and getteth hym to some other
+  good towne, and there sekynge for straûgers and
+  newe acquayntaûce whom he may lykewyse begyle, yea
+  and playeth many suche lyke partes and shameful
+  shiftes. I praye the tell me dothe not suche a
+  ||greke declare euydentlye by his crafty
+  dealynge and false demeanour, what mynde is he of?
+  _Boni._ yes suerly as euydentlye as can be
+  possible. But yet suche felowes are wonte to
+  colour and cloke theyr doynges vnder a craftie
+  pretence. _Bea._ With what I beseche the? _Boni._
+  They saye to owe moche and to dyuers persones is
+  communely vsed of great men, yea and of kynges
+  also as well as of them, and therfore they that
+  intende to be of that disposycyon wyll beare out
+  to the harde hedge the porte of a gentylman and
+  soo they wyll be taken and estemed for gentilmen
+  of the commune people. _Bea._ A gentylman and why
+  or to what entent and purpose a gentylman? _Boni._
+  It is a straunge thynge to be spoken howe moche
+  they thynke it is mete for a gentylman or a
+  horseman to take vpon hym. _Bea._ By what equytie,
+  authoritie, or lawes. _Boni._ By none other but by
+  the selfe same lawes that the Admiralles of the
+  ||sees chalenge a proprietie in all suche thynges
+  as are cast vpon the shoore by wracke, althoughe
+  the ryghte owner come forthe and chalenge his owne
+  goodes. And also by the same lawes that some other
+  men saye all is theyrs what soeuer is founde
+  aboute a thefe or a robber whê he is takê. _Boni._
+  Such lawes as these are the arrantest theues that
+  are myght make them selues. _Bea._ yea and ye may
+  be sure they wold gladly with al theyr harts î
+  their bodies make suche lawes yf they coulde
+  mayntayne them or were of power to se them
+  executed, and they myght haue some thynge to laye
+  for theyr excuse if they could proclayme opyn warre
+  before they fell to robbynge. _Boni._ But who gaue
+  that pryuylege rather to a horseman then to a
+  foteman, or more to a gentylman thê to a good
+  yeman. _Bea._ The fauoure that is shewed to men of
+  warre, for by suche shyftes and thus they practyse
+  before to be good men of warre that they ||maye be
+  more redy & hansome to spoyle theyr enemyes when
+  they shall encounter with thê. _Boni._ I thynke
+  Pyrhus dyd so exercyse and breake his yonge
+  souldyers to the warres. _Bea._ No not Pyrrhus but
+  the Lacedemonians dyd. _Boni._ Mary syr hange vp
+  suche practysers or soldyers and theyr practisyng
+  to. But howe come they by the name of horsemen or
+  gentylmen that they vsurpe suche a great
+  prerogatyue? _Bea._ Some of them are gentylmê borne
+  and it cometh to them by auncestrie, some bye it
+  by the meanes of maystrys money, and other some
+  gette it by certayne shyftes. _Boni._ But maye
+  euery man that wyl and lyst come by it by shyftes?
+  _Bea._ Yea why not, euery man maye be a gentylman
+  nowe adayes very well and yf theyr condicions and
+  maners be accordynge. _Boni._ What maners or
+  condicions must suche one haue I beseche the?
+  _Bea._ Yf he be occupyed aboute no goodnesse, yf he
+  can ruffle it ||and swashe in his satens and his
+  silkes and go gorgiously apparelled, yf he can
+  ratle in his rynges vpon the fyngers endes, yf he
+  can playe the ruffyan and the horemonger and kepe
+  a gaye hoore gallantlye, yf he be neuer well at
+  ease but when he is playenge at the dyse, yf he be
+  able to matche as moche an vnthryfte as hym selfe
+  with a newe payre of cardes, yf he spende his tyme
+  lyke an epycure vpon bankettinge, sumptuous fare,
+  and all kynde of pleasures, yf he talke of no
+  rascalles nor beggars, but bragge, bost, face,
+  brace, and crake of castelles, towers, and
+  skyrmysshes, and yf all his talke be of the warres
+  and blody battels, and playe the parte of
+  crackinge Thraso throughly, such gaye grekes,
+  lusty brutes and ionkers may take vpon them to be
+  at defyaunce withe whome they wyll and lyst,
+  thoughe the gentylman haue neuer a fote of lande
+  to lyue vpon. _Boni._ Call ye them horsmen. Mary
+  syr suche horsemen are wel ||worthy to ryde vpõ
+  the gallowes, these are gentylmen of the Iebet of
+  all that euer I haue harde of. _Bea._ But yet there
+  be not afewe suche in that parte of Germany called
+  Nassen or Hessen.
+
+
+                 F  I  N  I  S
+
+          Trãslated by Edmonde Becke
+           And prynted at Cantorbury
+            in saynt Paules parishe
+                by Johñ Mychell.
+                      [+]
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+           *       *       *       *
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+[Transcriber's note: The following typographical
+errors were corrected.
+  "soldyers cassocke, a payre of hoose all to cut and
+  manglyd, may co||uer an euangelycall mynde."
+      hoose _was_ hoofe
+  "Poliphe. Naye I knowe hym whiche bereth a shepe
+  vpon his heed, and a sore in his brest"
+      sore _was_ fore
+  "orphanes, pupylls, wardes, and fatherlesse
+  chyldren be cõmunely ordered and vsed, how wylles"
+      cõmunely _was_ cõmuuely ]
+
+
+
+
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+<p>[<i>Transcriber's note:</i> The original text has no page
+numbers. Marginal numbers are continuous, 1 through 51;
+any gaps in the numbering represent blank (verso) pages.<br>
+Three apparent typographic errors
+were corrected and are marked in the text
+<ins class = "correction" title = "explanation will pop up">
+like this</ins>.
+All other spelling and punctuation are as in the original.]</p>
+<br>
+<p align = "center"><a href = "#Preface">"The preface to the Reader"</a><br>
+(translator's introduction)<br>
+<br>
+<a href = "#Cannius">Dialogue: Cannius and Poliphemus</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href = "#Beatus">"The dialoge of thynges and names"</a><br>
+(Beatus and Bonifacius)</p>
+<br>
+
+
+<br />
+<br />
+<center>
+<img alt="titlepage (75K)" src="images/titlepage.jpg" height="620" width="465" />
+</center>
+<br />
+<br />
+
+
+
+<hr>
+<hr>
+<br>
+<div class = "rowOne"><img src = "images/c_symb1.png" width = "38" height = "48" alt = "[C]">&nbsp;Two dyaloges</div>
+<div class = "rowTwo">wrytten in laten</div>
+<div class = "headline">by the famous clerke. D. Eras-<br>
+m<sup>9</sup> of Roterodame/ one called<br>
+Polyphemus or the gospeller/<br>
+the other dysposyng of thynges<br>
+and names/ translated<br>
+in to Englyshe by<br>
+Edmonde<br>
+Becke.</div>
+<p align = "center">And prynted at Cantorbury<br>
+in saynt Paules paryshe<br>
+by Johñ Mychell.<br>
+<br>
+<img src = "images/maltese_cross.png" width = "24" height = "24" alt = "[+]"></p>
+<br>
+<hr>
+<p align = "center"><span class = "pagenum">3</span><span class = "headline"><a name = "Preface">The preface to the Reader.</a></span></p>
+
+<p><img src = "images/L_large.png" border = "0" align = "left" hspace = "5" width = "71" height = "72" alt = "L">Ucius Anneus Seneca amonge many other pratie
+saienges (gentle reder) hathe this also, whiche in
+my iudgement is as trew as it is wittie. Rogãdo
+cogit qui rogat superior. And in effecte is thus
+moch to say, yf a mãnes superior or his better
+desyre any thige, he might aswell cõmãde it by
+authoritie as ones to desyre it.</p>
+
+<p>A gentleman a nere cosyn of myne, but moch nerer
+in fryndshyp, eftesones dyd instant and moue me to
+translate these two dyaloges folowynge, to whose
+getlenes I am so moch obliged, indetted and
+bounde, that he myght well haue cõmaunded me to
+this and more paynes: to whome I do not onely owe
+seruyce, but my selfe also. And in accõplysshynge
+of his most honest request (partly by cause I
+wolde not the moost inhumane fawte of Ingratitude
+shuld wor<span class = "pagenum">4</span>thely be imputed to me,
+&amp; that I might in this thynge also (accordynge to my
+bounden dutie) gratifie my frende) I haue hassard
+my selfe in these daungerous dayes, where many
+are so capcyous, some prone and redy to malygne &amp;
+depraue, and fewe whose eares are not so
+festidious, tendre, and redy to please, that in
+very tryfles &amp; thynges of small importaunce, yet
+exacte dylygence and exquisite iudgement is loked
+for and requyred, of them whiche at this present
+wyll attempte to translate any boke be it that the
+matter be neuer so base. But what diligence I have
+enployed in the translaciõ hereof I referre it to
+the iudgement of the lerned sort, whiche cõferynge
+my translacion with the laten dyaloges, I dowte
+not wyl condone and pardone my boldnesse, in that
+that I chalenge the semblable lybertie whiche the
+translatours of this tyme iustlie chalenge. For
+some heretofore submytting them selfe to
+seruytude, haue lytle <span class = "pagenum">5</span>respecte
+to the obseruaciõ of the thyng which in translacyõ is of
+all other most necessary and requisite, that is to
+saye, to rendre the sence &amp; the very meanyng of
+the author, not so relygyouslie addicte to
+translate worde for worde, for so the sence of the
+author is oftentimes corrupted &amp; depraued, and
+neyther the grace of the one tonge nor yet of the
+other is truely observed or aptlie expressed. The
+lerned knoweth y<sup>t</sup> euery tonge hathe his peculyer
+proprietie, phrase, maner of locucion, enargies
+and vehemêcie, which so aptlie in any other tõg
+can not be expressed. Yf I shal perceyue this my
+symple doinge to be thankefully taken, and in good
+parte accepted, it shall encorage me hereafter to
+attempte the translaciõ of some bokes dysposing of
+matters bothe delectable, frutefull, &amp; expedient
+to be knowen, by the grace of God, who gyuynge me
+quyetnes of mynde, lybertie, and abylytie, shall
+not desyste to communicat the frute of my
+<span class = "pagenum">6</span>spare howers,
+to such as are not lerned in
+the laten tonge: to whome I dedycat the fyrste
+frutes of this my symple translacyon.</p>
+<br>
+<hr>
+<br>
+<div class = "headline"><a name = "Cannius">A declaracion of the names.</a></div>
+<br>
+<p align = "center"><img src = "images/P_small.png" border = "0" align = "left" hspace ="5" width = "62" height = "48" alt = "P">
+Oliphemus sygnifieth, valyant
+or noble, and in an other sygnifi
+cacion, talcatyfe or clybbe of tong. The
+name of a Gyant called Cyclops,
+hauynge but one eye in his forhed, of a
+huge stature and a myghtie <u>p</u>sonage.
+And is aplyed here to sygnifie a great
+freke or a lubber, as this Poliphemus
+was, whiche beynge a man of warre or<br>
+a courtyer, had a newe testament in his<br>
+hande, and loked buselie for some<br>
+sentence or text of scrypture<br>
+and that Cannius his<br>
+companyõ espyed and<br>
+sayd to hî as<br>
+foloweth.</p>
+<br>
+<hr>
+<br>
+
+
+<br />
+<br />
+<center>
+<img alt="sample (132K)" src="images/sample.jpg" height="717" width="440" />
+</center>
+<br />
+<br />
+
+
+
+<span class = "pagenum">7</span>
+<div class = "headline"><img src = "images/c_symb2.png" width = "23" height = "24" alt = "[C]">
+The parsons names are Cannius and Poliphemus.</div>
+<br>
+<p><img src = "images/C_large.png" border="0" align="left" hspace="5" width = "67" height = "72" alt = C><b>Annius.</b> what hunt Polipheme for here?<br>
+<b>Poliphem<sup>9</sup>.</b> Aske ye what I hunt for here,
+and yet ye se me haue neyther dogges, dart, Jauelyn,
+nor huntyng staffe.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Paraduenture ye hunt after some
+praty nymphe of the couert.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> By my
+trouth and well coniectured, be holde what a
+goodly pursenet, or a hay I haue here in my hande.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Benedicite, what a straunge syght is
+this, me thinke I se Bachus in a lyons skin,
+Poliphemus with a boke in his hande. This is a
+dogge in a doblet, a sowe w<sup>t</sup> a sadle, of all
+that euer I se it is a non decet.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> I haue
+not onely paynted and garnyshed my boke with
+saffron, but also I haue lymmed it withe Sinople,
+asaphetida, redleed, vermilõ, and byse.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> It is a warlyke boke, for it is furnished with knottes,
+tassils <span class = "pagenum">8</span>plates, claspes, and brasen
+bullyons.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Take the boke in your hand and
+loke within it.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> I se it wery well. Truly it
+is a praty boke, but me thynkes ye haue not yet
+trymmed it sufficiently for all your cost ye have
+bestowed upon it.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Why what lackes it?<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Thou shuldest haue set thyne armes upon it.<br>
+<b>Poliphem<sup>9</sup>.</b> what armes I beseche the?<br>
+<b>Cãni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Mary
+the heed of Silenus, an olde iolthed drunkard
+totynge out of a hoggeshed or a tunne, but in good
+ernest, wherof dothe your boke dyspose or
+intreate? dothe it teache the art and crafte to
+drynke a duetaunt?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Take hede in goddes name
+what ye say lest ye bolt out a blasphemie before
+ye be ware.<br>
+<b>Cãni<sup>9</sup>.</b> why bydde ye me take hede what
+I saye? is there any holy matt<sup>r</sup> in the boke?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> what mã it is the gospell boke, I trow there
+is nothynge can be more holye.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> God for
+thy grace what hathe Poliphemus to do withe the
+gospell?<br>
+<span class = "pagenum">9</span><b>Poli.</b> Nay why do ye not aske what a
+chrysten man hathe to do with christe?<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> I
+can not tell but me thynkes a rousty byll or a
+halbard wold become such a great lubber or a
+slouyn as thou arte a great deale better, for yf
+it were my chaûce to mete such one and knewe
+him not upon seeborde, and he loked so lyke a
+knaue and a ruffyã as thou dost I wolde take hym
+for a pirate or a rouer upon the see/ and if I met
+such one in the wood for an arrante thefe, and a
+man murderer.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> yea good syr but the gospell
+teache vs this same lesson, that we shuld not
+iudge any person by his loke or by his externall &amp;
+outwarde apparaunce. For lyke wyse as many tymes
+vnder a graye freers coote a tyrannous mynde lyeth
+secretly hyd, eue so a polled heed, a crispe or a
+twyrled berde, a frowninge, a ferse, or a dogged
+loke, a cappe, or a hat with an oystrich fether, a
+soldyers cassocke, a payre of <ins class = "correction" title = "text reads 'hoofe'">hoose</ins> all to cut and
+manglyd, may co<span class = "pagenum">10</span>uer an euangelycall mynde.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> why not, mary God forbyd elles, yea &amp;
+many tymes a symple shepe lyeth hyd in a wolfes
+skynne, and yf a man maye credite and beleue the
+fables of Aesope, an asse maye lye secretely
+unknowen by cause he is in a lyons skynne.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Naye I knowe hym whiche bereth a shepe
+vpon his heed, and a <ins class = "correction" title = "text reads 'fore'">sore</ins> in his brest, to whome I
+wold wysshe with al my hart that he had as whyte
+and as fauorable frendes as he hathe blacke eyes.
+And I wolde wisshe also that he were as well guylt
+ouer and ouer as he hathe a colour mete to take
+guyltynge.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Yf ye take hym to were a shepe
+vpon his heed, that weareth a cappe of woll, howe
+greuously than art thou lodyn, or what an
+excedynge heuy burdê bearest thou then I praye the
+whiche bearest a hoole shepe and an ostryche to
+vpon thy heed? But what saye ye to hî doth not
+he more folyssly which beareth a byrd vpon his
+heed, and an asse in his <span class = "pagenum">11</span>brest.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b>
+There ye nypped &amp; taunted me in dede.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> But
+I wolde saye this geere dyd wonderous wel yf this
+gospel boke dyd so adourne the with vertue as thou
+hast adourned lymmed, and gorgiously garnysshed it
+with many gay goodly glystryng ornamentes. Mary
+syr thou hast set it forth in his ryght colours in
+dede, wolde to god it might so adourne the with
+good cõdiciõs that thou myghtest ones lerne to be
+an honest man.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> There shall be no defaute in
+me, I tell you I wyll do my diligence.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> Naye
+there is no doute of that, there shall be no more
+faute in you now I dare say then was wonte to be.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Yea but (youre tarte tauntes, and youre
+churlysshe checkes, and raylynges set asyde) tell
+me I pray the this one thynge, do you thus
+disprayse, condempne, or fynde faute with them
+whiche caryeth aboute with them the newe testament
+or the gospel boke?<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> No by my fayth do I not
+good <span class = "pagenum">12</span>praty man.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Call ye me but a
+praty one and I am hygher then you by y<sup>e</sup> length
+of a good asses heed.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> I thynke not fully so
+moche yf the asse stretch forth his eares, but go
+to it skyllis no matter of that, let it passe, he
+that bare Christ vpon his backe was called
+Christofer, and thou whiche bearest the gospell
+boke aboute with the shall for Poliphemus be
+called the gospeller or the gospell bearer.<br>
+<b>Polip.</b>
+Do not you counte it an holy thynge to cary aboute
+with a man the newe testament?<br>
+<b>Cãni.</b> why no syr by
+my trouth do I not, except thou graunte the very
+asses to be holy to.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> How can an asse be
+holy?<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> For one asse alone is able to beare
+thre hundreth suche bokes, and I thynke suche a
+great lubber as thou art were stronge inoughe to
+beare as great a burden, and yf thou had a hansome
+packesadle sette vpon thy backe.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> And yet
+for all your iestynge it is not agaynst good
+reason to saye <span class = "pagenum">13</span>that ye asse was holy which
+bore christ.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> I do not enuye you man for
+this holynes for I had as lefe you had that
+holynes as I, and yf it please you to take it I
+wyll geue you an holy &amp; a religious relyke of the
+selfe same asse whiche christ rode vpon, and whan
+ye haue it ye may kysse it lycke it and cull it as
+ofte as ye lyst.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Mary syr I thanke you, ye
+can not gyue me a more thanckefull gyfte nor do me
+a greatter pleasure, for that asse withouten any
+tayle was made as holye as any asse could be by
+the touchynge of christes body.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Undouted
+they touched christes body also whiche stroke and
+buffeted christ.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> yea but tell me this one
+thynge I praye the in good ernest. Is it not a
+great sygne of holynes in a man to cary aboute the
+gospel boke or the newe testament?<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> It is
+a token of holynes in dede if it be done without
+hypocrysie, I meane if it be done without
+dissimulacion/and for <span class = "pagenum">14</span>that end, intent &amp;
+purpose, that it shuld be done for.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> What
+the deuyl &amp; a morten tellest thou a man of warre
+of hypocrisie, away with hypocrisie to the monkes
+and the freers.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Yea but bycause ye saye
+so, tell me fyrste I praye you what ye call
+hypocrisie.<br>
+<b>Po.</b> When a man pretendis another thyng
+outwardly then he meanis secretly in his mynde.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> But what dothe the bearynge aboute of the
+newe testament sygnyfie. Dothe it not betoken that
+thy lyfe shulde be conformable to the gospell
+which thou carryest aboute with the.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> I
+thynke well it dothe.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Wel then when thy
+lyfe is not conformable to the boke, is not that
+playne hypocrisie.<br>
+<b>Poliph.</b> Tell me thê what you
+call the trewe carienge of the gospell boke aboute
+with a man.<br>
+<b>Cãni.</b> Sõme men beare it aboute with
+them in theyr hãdes (as the gray freers were wonte
+to beare the rule of saynt Fraunces) and so the
+porters of Londõ, Asses <span class = "pagenum">15</span>&amp; horses may beare
+it as well as they. And there be some other that
+carry the gospel in theyr mouthes onlie, and such
+haue no other talke but al of christ and his
+gospell, and that is a very poynt of a pharysey.
+And some other carrye it in theyr myndes. But in
+myne opynion he beares the gospell boke as he
+shuld do whiche bothe beares it in his hande,
+cõmunes of it with his mouth whan occasyon of
+edyfyenge of his neyghboure whan conuenyent
+oportunytie is mynystred to him, and also beares
+it in his mynde and thynkes vpon it withe his
+harte.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Yea thou art a mery felow, where
+shall a man fynde suche blacke swãnes?<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> In
+euery cathedrall church, where there be any
+deacons, for they beare the gospel boke î theyr
+hãde, they synge the gospell aloude, somtyme in a
+lofte that the people may heare thê, althoughe
+they do not vnderstand it, and theyr myndes are
+vpõ it when they synge it.<br>
+<b>Polphe.</b> And yet for all
+your <span class = "pagenum">16</span>sayenge all suche deacons are no
+saynttes that beare the gospell so in theyr
+myndes.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> But lest ye play the subtyle and
+capcious sophystryar with me I wyll tell you this
+one thynge before. No man can beare the gospell in
+his mynde but he must nedes loue it from the
+bothum of his harte, no man loueth it inwardly and
+from the bothû of his harte but he must nedes
+declare and expresse the gospell in his lyuinge,
+outwarde maners, &amp; behauour.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> I can not skyll
+of youre subtyle reasonynges, ye are to fyne for
+me.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> Thê I wyll commune with you after a
+grosser maner, and more playnly. yf thou dyddest
+beare a tankard of good Reynyshe wyne vpon thy
+shulders onelye, what other thynge were it to the
+then a burden.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> It were none other thynge
+truly, it is no great pleasure so beare wyne.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> What and yf thou dranke asmoche as thou
+coudest well holde in thy mouthe, after the manner
+of <span class = "pagenum">17</span>a gargarisme &amp; spyt it out agayne.<br>
+<b>Po.</b>
+That wolde do me no good at all, but take me not
+with suche a faute I trow, for the wyne is very
+bad and if I do so.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> But what and yf thou
+drynke thy skynne full as thou art wont to do, whê
+thou comest where good wyne is.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Mary
+there is nothyng more godly or heuynly.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b>It warmes you at the stomacke, it settes your body
+in a heate, it makes you loke with a ruddy face,
+and setteth your hart vpon a mery pynne.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b>
+That is suerly so as ye saye in dede.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> The
+gospell is suche a lyke thynge of all this worlde,
+for after that it hathe ones persed &amp; entered in
+the veynes of the mynd it altereth, transposeth,
+and cleane changeth vpsodowne the whole state of
+mã, and chaungeth hym cleane as it were into a
+nother man.<br>
+<b>Polip.</b> Ah ha, nowe I wot wherabout ye
+be, belyke ye thîke that I lyue not accordynge to
+the gospell or as a good gospeller shulde do.<br>
+<span class = "pagenum">18</span><b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> There is no man can dyssolue this
+questiõ better then thy selfe.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Call ye it
+dissoluynge? Naye and yf a thynge come to
+dyssoluynge gyue me a good sharpe axe in my hande
+and I trow I shall dyssolue it well inoughe.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> What woldest thou do, I praye the, and yf a
+man shulde say to thy teth thou lyest falsely, or
+elles call the by thy ryght name knaue in
+englysshe.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> What wolde I do quod he, that is
+a question in dede, mary he shulde feele the
+wayghte of a payre of churlyshe fystes I warrant
+the.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> And what and yf a man gaue you a good
+cuffe vpon the eare that shulde waye a pounde?<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> It were a well geuen blowe that wolde
+aduauntage hym. xx. by my trouthe and he escaped
+so he myght say he rose vpon his ryght syde, but
+it were maruayle &amp; I cut not of his head harde by
+his shulders.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Yea but good felowe thy
+gospell boke teacheth the to geue gentle answers,
+and fayre wordes <span class = "pagenum">19</span>agayne for fowle, and to
+hym that geueth the a blowe vpon the ryght cheke
+to holde forth the lyfte.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> I do remembre I
+haue red suche a thinge in my boke, but ye must
+pardone me for I had quyte forgotten it.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> Well
+go to, what saye ye to prayer I suppose ye praye
+very ofte.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> That is euyn as very a touche of
+a pharesey as any can be.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> I graunt it is
+no lesse thê a poynte of a pharesey to praye longe
+and faynedly vnder a colour or pretêce of holynes,
+that is to saye when a man prayeth not frõ the
+bothum of his hart but with the lyppes only and
+from the tethe outward, and that in opyn places
+where great resort of people is, bycause they wold
+be sene. But thy gospel boke teacheth the to praye
+contynually, but so that thy prayer come from the
+bothu of the hart.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Yea but yet for all my
+sayenge I praye sumtyme.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> When I beseche the
+when y<sup>e</sup> art a slepe?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> When it cometh in to
+my mynde, ones <span class = "pagenum">20</span>or twyse may chaunce in a
+weke.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> what prayer sayst thou?<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> The
+lordes prayer, the Pater noster.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Howe many
+tymes ouer?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Onis, &amp; I trowe it is often
+inoughe, for the gospell forbyddeth often
+repetynge of one thynge.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Can ye saye
+your pater noster through to an ende &amp; haue youre
+mynde runnynge vpon nothynge elles in all that
+whyle?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> By my trouthe and ye wyll beleue me I
+neuer yet assayed nor proued whether I coulde do
+it or no. But is it not sufficient to saye it with
+my mouthe?<br>
+<b>Can.</b> I can not tell whether it be or
+no. But I am sure god here vs not excepte we praye
+from the bothum of our harte. But tell me another
+thyng I wyll aske the. Doest thou not fast very
+often?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> No neuer in all my lyfe tyme and yf
+it were not for lacke of meate.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> And yet thy
+boke alowes and commendes hyghly bothe fastynge
+and prayer.<br>
+<b>Polip.</b> So coulde I alowe them but that
+my belly can <span class = "pagenum">21</span>not well affare nor a way with
+fastyng.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Yea but Paule sayth they are not
+the seruauntes of Iesus Christe whiche serue theyr
+belly &amp; make it theyr god. Do you eate fleshe
+euery day?<br>
+<b>Po.</b> No neuer when I haue none to eate,
+but I neuer refuse it when it is set before me,
+and I neuer aske question not for cõscience but
+for my belly sake.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> Yea but these stronge
+sturdy sydes of suche a chuffe and a lobbynge
+lobye as thou arte wolde be fed well inoughe with
+haye and barke of trees.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Yea but chryste
+sayd, that which entereth in at the mouthe
+defyleth not the man.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> That is to be
+vnderstand thus yf it be measurably taken, and
+without the offendinge of our christian brother.
+But Paule the disciple of chryst had rather
+peryshe &amp; sterue with hunger then onys to offende
+his weyke brothren w<sup>t</sup> his eatynge, and he
+exhorteth vs to followe his example that in all
+thynges we maye please all men.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> What tel
+<span class = "pagenum">22</span>ye me of Paule, Paule is Paule and I am I.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> Do you gladly helpe to releue the poore
+and the indygent with your goodes?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> Howe can
+I helpe them whiche haue nothynge to gyue them,
+and scant inoughe for my selfe.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> ye myght
+spare somthynge to helpe thê with yf thou woldest
+playe the good husband in lyuynge more warely, in
+moderatynge thy superfluous expenses, and in
+fallynge to thy worke lustely.<br>
+<b>Poliphem<sup>9</sup>.</b> Nay
+then I were a fole in dede, a penyworth of ease is
+euer worth a peny, and nowe I haue found so moch
+pleasure in ease that I can not fall to no labour.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> Do you kepe the commaundementes of god?<br>
+<b>Polip.</b> Nowe ye appose me, kepe the cõmaundementes
+quod he, that is a payne in dede.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Art
+thou sory for thy synnes and thyne offences, doest
+thou ernestly repent the for thê.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b>
+Christ hath payed the raunsome of synne and
+satisfied for it alredy.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Howe
+<span class = "pagenum">23</span>prouest thou then that thou louest the
+gospell and fauoris the word of god as thou
+bearest men in hande thou doest.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> I
+wyll tell you that by &amp; by, and I dare saye you
+wyl confesse no lesse your selfe then that I am an
+ernest fauorer of the worde then I haue told you
+y<sup>e</sup> tale. There was a certayne gray frere of the
+order of saynt Fraunces w<sup>t</sup> vs whiche neuer
+ceased to bable and rayle agaynste the newe
+testament of Erasmus, I chaunsed to talke with the
+gêtylman pryuatly where no man was present but he
+and I, and after I had communed awhyle with hym I
+caught my frere by the polled pate with my left
+hande and with my right hãde I drew out my daggar
+and I pomelled the knaue frere welfauardly aboute
+his skonce that I made his face as swollen and as
+puffed as a puddynge.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> what a tale is
+this that thou tellest me.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> How say you
+is not this a good and a sufficient proue that I
+fa<span class = "pagenum">24</span>uer the gospell. I gaue hym absolucion
+afore he departed out of my handes w<sup>t</sup> this newe
+testament thryse layde vpon his pate as harde as I
+myght dryue y<sup>t</sup> I made thre bunches in his heed
+as bygge as thre egges in the name of the father,
+the sone, &amp; the holy goost.<br>
+<b>Can.</b> Now by my trouth
+this was well done &amp; lyke a ryght gospeller of
+these dayes. Truly this is as they saye to
+dyffende the gospell with the gospell.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> I
+met another graye frere of the same curryshe
+couent, that knaue neuer had done in raylynge
+agaynst Erasmus, so sone as I had espyed hym I was
+styrred and moued with the brenninge zele of the
+gospell that in thretenyng of him I made hym knele
+downe vpon his knees and crye Erasmus mercie and
+desyred me to forgyue hym, I may saye to you it
+was hyghe tyme for hym to fall downe vpon his
+marybones, and yf he had not done it by and by I
+had my hal<span class = "pagenum">25</span>barde vp redy to haue gyuen hym
+betwyxt the necke and the heade, I loked as grymme
+as modie Mars when he is in furyous fume, it is
+trewe that I tell you, for there was inoughe sawe
+the frere and me yf I wolde make a lye.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> I
+maruayle the frere was not out of his wyt. But to
+retourne to oure purpose agayne, dost thou lyue
+chastly?<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> Peraduenture I maye do here
+after when I am more stryken in age. But shall I
+confesse the trouthe to the?<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> I am no preest
+man, ther fore yf thou wylt be shryuen thou must
+seke a preest to whome thou maye be lawfully
+confessed.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> I am wont styl to cõfesse my
+selfe to god, but I wyl confesse thus moche to the
+at this tyme I am not yet become a perfyte
+gospeller or an euangelical man, for I am but yet
+as it were one of y<sup>e</sup> cõmune people, ye knowe wel
+perde we gospellers haue iiii. gospels wrytten by
+the .iiii. euange<span class = "pagenum">26</span>lystes, &amp; suche gospellers
+as I am hunt busely, and chefely for .iiii.
+thynges that we may haue. Unde. to prouyde dayntie
+fare for the bellie, that nothynge be lackynge to
+that parte of the body whiche nature hath placed
+vnder the belly, ye wote what I meane, and to
+obtayne and procure suche liuinge that we may lyue
+welthely and at pleasure without carke &amp; care. And
+fynally that we maye do what we lyst without
+checke or controlment, yf we gospellars lacke none
+of all these thynges we crye and synge for ioye,
+amonge our ful cuppes Io Io we tryumphe and are
+wonderfull frolycke, we synge and make as mery as
+cup and can, and saye the gospell is a lyue agayne
+Chryst rayneth.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> This is a lyfe for an
+Epycure or a god belly and for no euangelicall
+persone that professeth the gospell.<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> I denye
+not but that it is so as ye saye, but ye knowe
+well that god is omnipotent and can do al thynges,
+he can turne vs <span class = "pagenum">27</span>whê his wyll is sodenly in
+to other maner of men.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> So can he
+transforme you in to hogges and swyne, the whiche
+maye soner be done I iudge thê to chaunge you into
+good men for ye are halfe swynyshe &amp; hoggyshe
+alredy, your lyuynge is so beastlie.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b>
+Holde thy peas mã wolde to god there were no men
+that dyd more hurt in the world then swyne,
+bullockes, asses, and camelles. A mã may se many
+men now adayes more crueller then lyons, more
+rauenynge thê wolues, more lecherous then sparous,
+and that byte worse then mad dogges, more noysom
+thê snakes, vepers and adders.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> But nowe
+good Polipheme remembre and loke vpon thy selfe
+for it is hyghe tyme for the to laye a syde thy
+beastly lyuynge, and to be tourned from a brute
+and a sauage beast in to a man.<br>
+<b>Poliphem<sup>9</sup>.</b> I
+thanke you good neyghbour<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> for by saynt
+Mary I thynke your counsayle is good/for the
+prophetes of this <span class = "pagenum">28</span>tyme sayth the worlde is
+almost at an end, and we shall haue domes daye
+(as they call it) shortely.<br>
+<b>Canni<sup>9</sup>.</b> We haue
+therfore more nede to <u>p</u>pare our selues in a
+redines agaynst that day, and that with as moche
+spede as maye be possible.<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> as for my
+part I loke and wayte styll euery day for the
+myghty hande and power of christ.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Take
+hede therfore that thou, when christ shall laye
+his myghty hande vpon the be as tendre as waxe,
+that accordynge to his eternall wyll he maye
+frayme &amp; fashyon the with his hande. But wherby I
+praye the dothe these prophetes coniecture &amp;
+gather that the worlde is almost at an ende.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> Bycause men (they saye) do the selfe same
+thinge nowe adayes that they dyd, and were wont to
+do which were lyuynge in the worlde a lytle whyle
+before the deluge or Noyes floode. They make
+solempne feastes, they banket, they quaffe, they
+booll, they bybbe, they ryot men mary, <span class = "pagenum">29</span>wome
+are maryed, they go a catterwallynge and
+horehuntinge, they bye, they sell, they lend to
+vserie, and borowe vpon vserie, they builde, kîges
+keepe warre one agaynst another, preestes studie
+howe they maye get many benefyces and promociõs to
+make them selfe riche and increase theyr worldly
+substaunce, the diuynes make insolible sillogismus
+and vnperfyte argumêtes, they gather conclusyons,
+monkes and freers rûne, at rouers ouer all the
+world, the comyn people are in a mase or a hurle
+burle redy to make insurrections, and to conclude
+breuelie there lackes no euyll miserie nor
+myschefe, neyther hõger, thyrst fellonie,
+robberie, warre, pestilence, sediciõ, derth, and
+great scarsytie and lacke of all good thynges. And
+howe say you do not all these thynges argue and
+sufficientlie proue that the worlde is almost at
+an ende?<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Yea but tell me I praye the of
+all thes hoole hepe of euyls and miseries whiche
+greueth the <span class = "pagenum">30</span>moste?<br>
+<b>Poliphemus.</b> Whiche
+thynkes thou, tell me thy fansie and coniecture?<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> That the Deuyll (god saue vs) maye daunce
+in thy purse for euer a crosse that thou hast to
+kepe hî for the.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> I pray god I dye and yf
+thou haue not hyt the nayle vpon the head. Now as
+chaunceth I come newly from a knotte of good
+companye where we haue dronke harde euery man for
+his parte, &amp; I am not behynde with myne, and
+therfore my wytte is not halfe so freshe as it
+wyll be, I wyll dyspute of the gospell with the
+whan I am sobre.<br>
+<b>Canni.</b> When shal I se the sobre?<br>
+<b>Poli.</b> When I shall be sobre.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> Whê wyll
+that be?<br>
+<b>Poliph.</b> When thou shalt se me, in the
+meane season god be with you gentle Cannius and
+well mot you do.<br>
+<b>Cannius.</b> And I wyshe to you a
+gayne for my parte that thou ware in dede as
+valiaunt or pusaunt a felowe as thy name soundeth.<br>
+<b>Poliphe.</b> And bycause ye shall lose nothynge at my
+<span class = "pagenum">31</span>hande with wyshynge I pray god
+that Cannius maye neuer lacke a good can or a stoope of wine or
+bere, wherof he had his name.</p>
+<br>
+
+<div class = "extended">FINIS</div>
+<br>
+<hr>
+
+<br>
+<div class = "rowThree"><img src = "images/c_symb2.png" width = "23" height = "24" alt = "[C]">&nbsp;<a name = "Beatus">The dialoge of thynges and names.</a></div>
+<br>
+<br>
+<div class = "headline">A declaracion of the names.</div>
+
+<p align = "center"><img src = "images/B_small.png" width = "54" height = "48" border="0" align="left" hspace="5" alt = "B">Eatus, is he whiche hathe abundance of al thinges that is good,
+and is parfyte in all thynges commendable
+or prayseworthy or to be desyred
+of a good man. Somtyme it is ta-<br>
+ken for fortunate, ryche, or<br>
+noble. Bonifaci<sup>9</sup>, fayre,<br>
+full of fauor or well<br>
+fauored.<br>
+<img src = "images/maltese_cross.png" width = "24" height = "24" alt = "[+]"></p>
+<br>
+
+
+<br />
+<br />
+<center>
+<img alt="sample2 (126K)" src="images/sample2.jpg" height="709" width="432" />
+</center>
+<br />
+<br />
+
+<hr>
+<br>
+<span class = "pagenum">32</span>
+<div class = "headline"><img src = "images/c_symb2.png" width = "23" height = "24" alt = "[C]">&nbsp;The parsons names are Beatus
+and Bonifacius.</div>
+<br>
+
+<p><img src = "images/B_large.png" width = "70" height = "72" border="0" align="left" hspace="5" alt = "B"><b>Eatus.</b> God saue you mayster Boniface.<br>
+<b>Bonifaci<sup>9</sup>.</b> God saue you &amp; god saue you agayne
+gêtle Beatus. But I wold god bothe we were such,
+and so in very dede as we be called by name, that
+is to say thou riche &amp; I fayre.<br>
+<b>Beatus.</b> Why do you
+thynke it nothynge worth at al to haue a goodly
+glorious name.<br>
+<b>Bonifacius.</b> Truely me thynke it is
+of no valure or lytle good worthe, onles a man
+haue the thynge itselfe whiche is sygnified by the
+name.<br>
+<b>Beatus.</b> Yea you maye well thynke your
+pleasure, but I am assured that the most part of
+all mortall men be of another mynde.<br>
+<b>Bonifa.</b> It
+may wel be I do not denye that they are mortal,
+but suerly I do not byleue that they are me, which
+are so beastly mynded.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yes good syr and they
+be men to laye <span class = "pagenum">33</span>your lyfe, onlesse ye thynke
+camels and asses do walke about vnder the fygure
+and forme of men.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Mary I can soner beleue
+that then that they be men whiche esteme and passe
+more vpon the name, then the thynge.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> I
+graunte in certayne kyndes of thinges moost men
+had rather haue the thynge then the name, but in
+many thynges it is otherwyse and cleane cõtrary.<br>
+<b>Bo.</b> I can not well tell what ye meane by that.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And yet the example of this matter is
+apparant or sufficiently declared in vs two. Thou
+arte called Bonifacius and thou hast in dede the
+thynge wherby thou bearest thy name. yet if there
+were no other remedy but eyther thou must lacke
+the one or the other, whether had you rather haue
+a fowle and deformed face or elles for Boniface be
+called Maleface or horner?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Beleue me I had
+rather be called fowle Thersites then haue a
+monstrous or a deformyed face, whether I haue a
+good face or no <span class = "pagenum">34</span>I can not tell.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And
+euen so had I for yf I were ryche and there were
+no remedy but that I must eyther forgoo my
+rychesse, or my name I had rather be called Irus
+whiche was a poore beggers name then lacke my
+ryches.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I agree to you for asmoch as ye
+speake the trouth, and as you thynke.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Iudge
+all them to be of the same mynde that I am of
+whiche are indued with helthe or other commodities
+and qualities appartaynynge to the body.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+That is very trewe.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yea but I praye the
+cõsyder and marke howe many men we se whiche had
+rather haue the name of a lerned and a holy man,
+then to be well lerned, vertuous, &amp; holy in dede.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I knowe a good sorte of suche men for my
+part.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Tell me thy fãtasie I pray the do not
+suche men passe more vpon the name then the
+thinge?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Methynke thy do.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yf we had a
+logician here whiche could well and clarkelie
+defyne what were a kynge, what a bysshoppe,
+<span class = "pagenum">35</span>what a magistrate, what a philosopher is,
+paduêture we shuld find som amõg these iolly
+felowes whiche had rather haue the name then the
+thynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Surely &amp; so thynke I. Yf he be a
+kinge whiche by lawe and equyte regardes more the
+commoditie of his people then his owne lucre/yf he
+be a bisshop which alwayes is careful for the
+lordes flocke cõmytted to his pastorall charge/yf
+he be a magistrate which frankelie and of good
+wyll dothe make prouysyon, and dothe all thinge
+for the comyn welthes sake/and yf he be a
+phylosopher whiche passynge not vpon the goodes of
+this worlde, only geueth hym selfe to attayn to a
+good mynde, and to leade a vertuous lyfe.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Lo
+thus ye may perseyue what a nombre of semblable
+exãples ye may collecte &amp; gether.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Undouted a
+great sorte.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> But I pray the tel me wyll you
+saye that all these are no men.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Nay I feare
+rather lest in so sayenge it shulde cost vs our
+lyues, and <span class = "pagenum">36</span>so myght we our selues shortelye
+be no men.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yf man be a resonable creature,
+howe ferre dyffers this from all good reason, that
+in cõmodities apertayning to the body (for so
+they deserue rather to be called then goodnes) and
+in outwarde gyftes whiche dame fortune geues and
+takes awaye at her pleasure, we had rather haue
+the thynge then the name, and in the true and only
+goodnes of the mynd we passe more vpon the name
+then the thynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> So god helpe me it is a
+corrupte and a preposterours iudgement, yf a man
+marke and consyder it wel.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> The selfe same
+reason is in contrarie thinges.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I wolde
+gladly knowe what ye meane by that.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> We maye
+iudge lykewyse the same of the names of thynges to
+be eschued, and incommodites which was spoken of
+thynges to be diffyred and cõmodites.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Nowe I
+haue considered the thynges well, it apereth to be
+euen so as ye saye in dede.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> It shulde
+be <span class = "pagenum">37</span>more feared of a good prynce to be a
+tyraunt in dede then to haue the name of a
+tyraunt. And yf an euyll bysshop be a thefe and a
+robber, then we shulde not so greatly abhorre and
+hate the name as the thynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Eyther so it is
+or so it shuld be.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Nowe gather you of the
+rest as I haue done of the prynce &amp; the bysshop.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Me thynkes I vnderstande this gere
+wonderouse well.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Do not all men hate the
+name of a fole or to be called a moome, a sotte,
+or an asse?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Yeas as moche as they do any one
+thynge.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And how saye you were not he a starke
+fole that wold fishe with a goldê bayte, that
+wolde preferre or esteme glasse better then
+precious stones, or whiche loues his horse or
+dogges better then his wyfe and his chyldrê?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+He were as wyse as waltoms calfe, or madder then
+iacke of Redyng.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And be not they as wyse
+whiche not assygned, chosen, nor yet ones
+appoynted by the magistrates, but vpon <span class = "pagenum">38</span>theyr
+owne heed aduenture to runne to the warres for
+hoope of a lytle gayne, ieoperdynge theyr bodyes
+and daungerynge theyr soules? Or howe wyse be
+they which busie thê selfe to get, gleyne, and
+reepe to gyther, goodes and ryches when they haue
+a mynde destitute and lackyng all goodness? Are
+not they also euen as wyse that go gorgyously
+apparylled, and buyldes goodly sumptuous houses,
+when theyr myndes are not regarded but neglect
+fylthye and with all kynde of vyce fowle
+corrupted? And how wyse are they whiche are
+carefull diligent and busie, about the helthe of
+theyr body neglectynge and not myndynge at all
+theyr soule, in daunger of so many deedly synnes?
+And fynally to conclude howe wyse be they whiche
+for a lytle shorte transytorye pleasure of this
+lyfe deserue euerlastynge tormentes and
+punyshementes?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Euen reason forseth me to
+graunt that they are more then frãtyke and
+folyshe.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yea <span class = "pagenum">39</span>but althoughe all the
+whole worlde be full of suche fooles, a man can
+scaselye fynde one whiche can abyde the name of a
+foole, and yet they deserue to be called so for
+asmoche as they hate not the thynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Suerly
+it is euen so as ye seye.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Ye knowe also howe
+the names of a lyar and a thefe are abhorred and
+hated of all men.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> They are spyteful and
+odious names, and abhorred of all men, and not
+withe out good cause why.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> I graunte that, but
+althoughe to commyt adulterie be a more wycked
+synne then thefte yet for al that some men reioyse
+and shewe them selfe glad of that name, whiche
+wolde be redy by and by to drawe theyr swerdes and
+fyghte withe a man that wolde or durst call them
+theues.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> It is true there are many wolde take
+it euyll as you saye in dede.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And nowe it is
+commyn to that poynt that thoughe there are many
+vnthryftes and spêdals whiche consume theyr
+substaunce at the <span class = "pagenum">40</span>wyne and vpon harlottes,
+and yet so wyllynge to continewe openly that all
+the worlde wonders at them, yet they wyll be
+offended and take peper in the noose yf a man
+shulde call them ruffyans or baudy knaues.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+Suche fellowes thynke they deserue prayse for the
+thynge, and yet for all that they can not abyde
+the name dewe to the thinge whiche they deserue.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> There is scarslye any name amonges vs more
+intollerable or worse can be abydden then to be
+called a lyar or a lyeng fellowe.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I haue
+knowen some or this whiche haue kylled men for
+suche a spytefull worde as that is.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yea yea
+but wolde god suche hasty fellowes dyd as well
+abhorre the thinge and hate lienge as well as to
+be called lyers, was it neuer thy chaunce to be
+dysceyued of any man whiche borowinge mony of the
+appoyntynge the a certayne daye to repaye the sayd
+money and so performyd not his appoyntment nor
+kept his day?<br>
+<span class = "pagenum">41</span><b>Boni.</b> Yeas many tymes (god
+knoweth) and yet hath he sworne many a greuous
+othe and that not one tyme but many tymes.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+Peraduenture he wolde haue ben so honest as to
+haue payed it and yf he had had wherwith.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+Naye that is not so for he was able inoughe, but
+as he thought it better neuer to paye his dettes.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> And what call you this in englyshe, is it not
+playne lyenge?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Yes as playne as Dunstable
+way, there can not be a lowder lye then this is.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Durste you be so bolde to pulle one of these
+good detters of yours by the sleue and saye thus
+to hym, why hast thou dysceyued me so many tymes
+and broken promyse with me, or to talke to hym in
+playne englyshe, why doest thou make me so many
+lyes?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Why no syr by my trouthe durst I not,
+excepte I were mynded before to chaûge halfe a
+dosen drye blowes with hym.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Dothe not masons
+Brekelayers, Carpenters, Smy<span class = "pagenum">42</span>thes,
+Goldsmithes, Taylours, disceyue and disapoynt vs
+after the lyke maner daylye promysynge to do youre
+worke suche a daye and suche a daye without any
+fayle, or further delaye, and yet for all that
+they parforme not theyr promesse althoughe it
+stande the neuer somoche vpon hande, or that thou
+shuldest take neuer so moche profyte by it.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+This is a wonderous and strange vnshamefast
+knauerye of all that euer I hard of. But and ye
+speake of breakers of promyse then ye maye reken
+amongest them lawyers and atturneys at the lawe,
+which wyl not stycke to promyse or beare you in
+hande that they wyll be diligent and ernest in the
+furtheraûce and spedie expedicion of your sute.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Reken quod he, naye ye maye reken fyve
+hundreth mennes names besyde these of sundrye
+faculties and occupacions whiche wyll promyse more
+by an ynch of a candle then they wyll performe by
+a whole pounde.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Why <span class = "pagenum">43</span>and ye call this
+lyenge all the worlde is full of suche lyenge.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Ye se also lykewyse that no man can abyde to
+be called thefe, and yet all men do not abhorre
+the thynge so greatly.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I wolde gladly haue
+you to declare your mynde in this more playnlye &amp;
+at large.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> What difference is there betwene
+hym whiche stealeth thy money forthe of thy cofer,
+and hym whiche forsweareth and falsely denyeth
+that whiche thou cõmytted to his custodie to be
+reserued and safely kept for thy vse only, or to
+suche tyme as thou arte mynded to call for it
+agayne.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> There is as they say neyther barrell
+better hearing, but that in my iudgement he is the
+falser knaue of the twayne whiche robbes a man
+that puttes his confidence and trust in hym.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+yea but howe fewe men are there nowe adayes
+lyuynge whiche are contente to restore agayne that
+whiche they were put in truste to kepe, or yf they
+deluer it agayne it is <span class = "pagenum">44</span>so dymynysshed,
+gelded, nypped, and pynched, that it is not
+delyuered whollye, but some thinge cleues in theyr
+fyngers, that the prouerbe may haue place where
+the horse walloweth there lyeth some heares.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+I thynke but a fewe that dothe otherwyse.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+And yet for all that there is none of al these
+that cã abyde it ones to be called thefe, and yet
+forsothe they hate not the thing so greatly.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+That is as trewe as the gospell.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Consyder me
+nowe and marke I beseche the howe the goodes of
+orphanes, pupylls, wardes, and fatherlesse
+chyldren be <ins class = "correction" title = "text reads 'cõmuuely'">cõmunely</ins> ordered and vsed, how wylles
+and testamentes be executed and performed, how
+legacyes and bequethes be communelye payde, Naye
+howe moche cleueth and hangeth fast in the fyngers
+of the executors or with them that mynyster and
+intermedle with the goodes of the testatours.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Many tymes they retayne and kepe in theyr
+handes all togy<span class = "pagenum">45</span>ther.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Yea they loue to
+playe the thefe well inoughe, but they loue
+nothynge worse then to here of it.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> That is
+very trewe.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Howe lytle dyffers he from a
+thefe whiche boroweth money of one and other and
+so runneth in dette, with this intent and purpose
+that yf he maye escape so or fynde suche a crafty
+colour or a subtyle shyft, he intendeth neuer to
+paye that he oweth.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Paraduenture he maye be
+called warer or more craftier thê a thefe is in
+dede but no poynt better, for it is hard chosyng
+of a better where there is neuer a good of them
+bothe.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> yea but althoughe there be in euery
+place a great nombre of such makeshyftes and
+slypper marchauntes yet the starkest knaue of thê
+all can not abyde to be called thefe.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> God
+onely knoweth euery mãnes hart and mynd, and
+therfore they are called of vs men that are runne
+in dette or fer behynde the hande, but not theues
+for that soun<span class = "pagenum">46</span>deth vnswetely and lyke a
+playne song note.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> What skyllys it howe they
+be called amõge men yf they be theues afore god.
+And where you say that god onely knoweth euery
+mannes hart and mynde, euen so euery man knoweth
+his owne mynde, whether in his wordes &amp; doynges he
+entende fraude, couyn, dysceyte, and thefte or
+no. But what say ye by hym whiche when he oweth
+more then he is worthe, wyll not stycke to lashe
+prodygallye and set the cocke vpon the hoope, and
+yet yf he haue any money at all lefte to spende
+that a waye vnthryftely, and when he hathe played
+the parte of a knauyshe spendall in one cytie
+deludinge and disceyuyng his creditours, ronnes
+out of this countre and getteth hym to some other
+good towne, and there sekynge for straûgers and
+newe acquayntaûce whom he may lykewyse begyle, yea
+and playeth many suche lyke partes and shameful
+shiftes. I praye the tell me dothe not suche a
+<span class = "pagenum">47</span>greke declare euydentlye by his crafty
+dealynge and false demeanour, what mynde is he of?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> yes suerly as euydentlye as can be
+possible. But yet suche felowes are wonte to
+colour and cloke theyr doynges vnder a craftie
+pretence.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> With what I beseche the?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> They
+saye to owe moche and to dyuers persones is
+communely vsed of great men, yea and of kynges
+also as well as of them, and therfore they that
+intende to be of that disposycyon wyll beare out
+to the harde hedge the porte of a gentylman and
+soo they wyll be taken and estemed for gentilmen
+of the commune people.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> A gentylman and why or
+to what entent and purpose a gentylman?<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> It
+is a straunge thynge to be spoken howe moche they
+thynke it is mete for a gentylman or a horseman to
+take vpon hym.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> By what equytie, authoritie,
+or lawes.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> By none other but by the selfe
+same lawes that the Admiralles of the <span class = "pagenum">48</span>sees
+chalenge a proprietie in all suche thynges as are
+cast vpon the shoore by wracke, althoughe the
+ryghte owner come forthe and chalenge his owne
+goodes. And also by the same lawes that some other
+men saye all is theyrs what soeuer is founde
+aboute a thefe or a robber whê he is takê.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b>
+Such lawes as these are the arrantest theues that
+are myght make them selues.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> yea and ye may be
+sure they wold gladly w<sup>t</sup> al theyr harts î their
+bodies make suche lawes yf they coulde mayntayne
+them or were of power to se them executed, and
+they myght haue some thynge to laye for theyr
+excuse if they could proclayme opyn warre before
+they fell to robbynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> But who gaue that
+pryuylege rather to a horseman then to a foteman,
+or more to a gentylman thê to a good yeman.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+The fauoure that is shewed to men of warre, for by
+suche shyftes and thus they practyse before to be
+good men of warre that they <span class = "pagenum">49</span>maye be more
+redy &amp; hansome to spoyle theyr enemyes when they
+shall encounter with thê.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> I thynke Pyrhus
+dyd so exercyse and breake his yonge souldyers to
+the warres.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> No not Pyrrhus but the
+Lacedemonians dyd.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Mary syr hange vp suche
+practysers or soldyers and theyr practisyng to.
+But howe come they by the name of horsemen or
+gentylmen that they vsurpe suche a great
+prerogatyue?<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> Some of them are gentylmê borne
+and it cometh to them by auncestrie, some bye it
+by the meanes of maystrys money, and other some
+gette it by certayne shyftes.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> But maye euery
+man that wyl and lyst come by it by shyftes?<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+Yea why not, euery man maye be a gentylman nowe
+adayes very well and yf theyr condicions and
+maners be accordynge.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> What maners or
+condicions must suche one haue I beseche the?<br>
+<b>Bea.</b>
+Yf he be occupyed aboute no goodnesse, yf he can
+ruffle it <span class = "pagenum">50</span>and swashe in his satens and his
+silkes and go gorgiously apparelled, yf he can
+ratle in his rynges vpon the fyngers endes, yf he
+can playe the ruffyan and the horemonger and kepe
+a gaye hoore gallantlye, yf he be neuer well at
+ease but when he is playenge at the dyse, yf he be
+able to matche as moche an vnthryfte as hym selfe
+with a newe payre of cardes, yf he spende his tyme
+lyke an epycure vpon bankettinge, sumptuous fare,
+and all kynde of pleasures, yf he talke of no
+rascalles nor beggars, but bragge, bost, face,
+brace, and crake of castelles, towers, and
+skyrmysshes, and yf all his talke be of the warres
+and blody battels, and playe the parte of
+crackinge Thraso throughly, such gaye grekes,
+lusty brutes and ionkers may take vpon them to be
+at defyaunce withe whome they wyll and lyst,
+thoughe the gentylman haue neuer a fote of lande
+to lyue vpon.<br>
+<b>Boni.</b> Call ye them horsmen. Mary syr
+suche horsemen are wel <span class = "pagenum">51</span>worthy to ryde vpõ
+the gallowes, these are gentylmen of the Iebet of
+all that euer I haue harde of.<br>
+<b>Bea.</b> But yet there
+be not afewe suche in that parte of Germany called
+Nassen or Hessen.</p>
+<p align = "center"><span class = "extended">FINIS</span><br>
+<br>
+<hr>
+<p align = "center">Trãslated by Edmonde Becke<br>
+And prynted at Cantorbury<br>
+in saynt Paules parishe<br>
+by Johñ Mychell.<br>
+<br>
+<img src = "images/maltese_cross.png" width = "24" height = "24" alt = "[+]"></p>
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+The Project Gutenberg EBook of Two Dyaloges (c. 1549), by Desiderius Erasmus
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+Title: Two Dyaloges (c. 1549)
+
+Author: Desiderius Erasmus
+
+Release Date: December 28, 2004 [EBook #14500]
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+Language: English
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+[Transcriber's note: The original text has no page
+numbers. Page breaks have been marked with double
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+were corrected and are listed at the end of this
+text. All other spelling and punctuation are as in
+the original.]
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+           *       *       *       *
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+                [C]Two dyaloges
+                wrytten in laten
+         by the famous clerke. D. Eras-
+         mus of Roterodame/ one called
+          Polyphemus or the gospeller/
+         the other dysposyng of thynges
+             and names/ translated
+               in to Englyshe by
+                    Edmonde
+                     Becke.
+           And prynted at Cantorbury
+            in saynt Paules paryshe
+                by John Mychell.
+                      [+]
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+
+           The preface to the Reader.
+
+  Lucius Anneus Seneca amonge many other pratie
+  saienges (gentle reder) hathe this also, whiche in
+  my iudgement is as trew as it is wittie. Rogado
+  cogit qui rogat superior. And in effecte is thus
+  moch to say, yf a manes superior or his better
+  desyre any thige, he might aswell comade it by
+  authoritie as ones to desyre it.
+
+  A gentleman a nere cosyn of myne, but moch nerer
+  in fryndshyp, eftesones dyd instant and moue me to
+  translate these two dyaloges folowynge, to whose
+  getlenes I am so moch obliged, indetted and
+  bounde, that he myght well haue comaunded me to
+  this and more paynes: to whome I do not onely owe
+  seruyce, but my selfe also. And in accoplysshynge
+  of his most honest request (partly by cause I
+  wolde not the moost inhumane fawte of Ingratitude
+  shuld wor||thely be imputed to me, & that I
+  might in this thynge also (accordynge to my
+  bounden dutie) gratifie my frende) I haue hassard
+  my selfe in these daungerous dayes, where many
+  are so capcyous, some prone and redy to malygne &
+  depraue, and fewe whose eares are not so
+  festidious, tendre, and redy to please, that in
+  very tryfles & thynges of small importaunce, yet
+  exacte dylygence and exquisite iudgement is loked
+  for and requyred, of them whiche at this present
+  wyll attempte to translate any boke be it that the
+  matter be neuer so base. But what diligence I have
+  enployed in the translacio hereof I referre it to
+  the iudgement of the lerned sort, whiche coferynge
+  my translacion with the laten dyaloges, I dowte
+  not wyl condone and pardone my boldnesse, in that
+  that I chalenge the semblable lybertie whiche the
+  translatours of this tyme iustlie chalenge. For
+  some heretofore submytting them selfe to
+  seruytude, haue lytle ||respecte to the
+  obseruacio of the thyng which in translacyo is of
+  all other most necessary and requisite, that is to
+  saye, to rendre the sence & the very meanyng of
+  the author, not so relygyouslie addicte to
+  translate worde for worde, for so the sence of the
+  author is oftentimes corrupted & depraued, and
+  neyther the grace of the one tonge nor yet of the
+  other is truely observed or aptlie expressed. The
+  lerned knoweth that euery tonge hathe his peculyer
+  proprietie, phrase, maner of locucion, enargies
+  and vehemecie, which so aptlie in any other tog
+  can not be expressed. Yf I shal perceyue this my
+  symple doinge to be thankefully taken, and in good
+  parte accepted, it shall encorage me hereafter to
+  attempte the translacio of some bokes dysposing of
+  matters bothe delectable, frutefull, & expedient
+  to be knowen, by the grace of God, who gyuynge me
+  quyetnes of mynde, lybertie, and abylytie, shall
+  not desyste to communicat the frute of my
+  ||spare howers, to such as are not lerned in
+  the laten tonge: to whome I dedycat the fyrste
+  frutes of this my symple translacyon.
+
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+          A declaracion of the names.
+
+        Poliphemus sygnifieth, valyant
+      or noble, and in an other sygnifi-
+   cacion, talcatyfe or clybbe of tong. The
+      name of a Gyant called Cyclops, ha-
+     uynge but one eye in his forhed, of a
+     huge stature and a myghtie personage.
+    And is aplyed here to sygnifie a great
+     freke or a lubber, as this Poliphemus
+      was, whiche beynge a man of warre or
+     a courtyer, had a newe testament in his
+       hande, and loked buselie for some
+        sentence or text of scrypture
+              and that Cannius his
+                companyo espyed
+                  and sayd to
+                   hi as fo-
+                    loweth.
+
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+  [C]The parsons names are Cannius and Poliphemus.
+
+  Cannius. what hunt Polipheme for here? Poliphemus.
+  Aske ye what I hunt for here, and yet ye se me
+  haue neyther dogges, dart, Jauelyn, nor huntyng
+  staffe. Cannius. Paraduenture ye hunt after some
+  praty nymphe of the couert. Poliphemus. By my
+  trouth and well coniectured, be holde what a
+  goodly pursenet, or a hay I haue here in my hande.
+  Cannius. Benedicite, what a straunge syght is
+  this, me thinke I se Bachus in a lyons skin,
+  Poliphemus with a boke in his hande. This is a
+  dogge in a doblet, a sowe with a sadle, of all
+  that euer I se it is a non decet. Poliphe. I haue
+  not onely paynted and garnyshed my boke with
+  saffron, but also I haue lymmed it withe Sinople,
+  asaphetida, redleed, vermilo, and byse. Can. It is
+  a warlyke boke, for it is furnished with knottes,
+  tassils ||plates, claspes, and brasen bullyons.
+  Poliphe. Take the boke in your hand and loke
+  within it. Canni. I se it wery well. Truly it
+  is a praty boke, but me thynkes ye haue not yet
+  trymmed it sufficiently for all your cost ye have
+  bestowed upon it. Poliphe. Why what lackes  it?
+  Canni. Thou shuldest haue set thyne armes upon it.
+  Poliphemus. what armes I beseche the? Canius. Mary
+  the heed of Silenus, an olde iolthed drunkard
+  totynge out of a hoggeshed or a tunne, but in good
+  ernest, wherof dothe your boke dyspose or
+  intreate? dothe it teache the art and crafte to
+  drynke a duetaunt? Poli. Take hede in goddes name
+  what ye say lest ye bolt out a blasphemie before
+  ye be ware. Canius. why bydde ye me take hede what
+  I saye? is there any holy matter in the boke?
+  Poli. what ma it is the gospell boke, I trow there
+  is nothynge can be more holye. Cannius. God for
+  thy grace what hathe Poliphemus to do withe the
+  gospell? ||Poli. Nay why do ye not aske what a
+  chrysten man hathe to do with christe? Cannius.
+  I can not tell but me thynkes a rousty byll or a
+  halbard wold become such a great lubber or a
+  slouyn as thou arte a great deale better, for yf
+  it were my chauce to mete such one and knewe
+  him not upon seeborde, and he loked so lyke a
+  knaue and a ruffya as thou dost I wolde take hym
+  for a pirate or a rouer upon the see/ and if I met
+  such one in the wood for an arrante thefe, and a
+  man murderer. Poli. yea good syr but the gospell
+  teache vs this same lesson, that we shuld not
+  iudge any person by his loke or by his externall &
+  outwarde apparaunce. For lyke wyse as many tymes
+  vnder a graye freers coote a tyrannous mynde lyeth
+  secretly hyd, eue so a polled heed, a crispe or a
+  twyrled berde, a frowninge, a ferse, or a dogged
+  loke, a cappe, or a hat with an oystrich fether, a
+  soldyers cassocke, a payre of hoose all to cut and
+  manglyd, may co||uer an euangelycall mynde.
+  Cannius. why not, mary God forbyd elles, yea &
+  many tymes a symple shepe lyeth hyd in a wolfes
+  skynne, and yf a man maye credite and beleue the
+  fables of Aesope, an asse maye lye secretely
+  unknowen by cause he is in a lyons skynne.
+  Poliphe. Naye I knowe hym whiche bereth a shepe
+  vpon his heed, and a sore in his brest, to whome I
+  wold wysshe with al my hart that he had as whyte
+  and as fauorable frendes as he hathe blacke eyes.
+  And I wolde wisshe also that he were as well guylt
+  ouer and ouer as he hathe a colour mete to take
+  guyltynge. Canni. Yf ye take hym to were a shepe
+  vpon his heed, that weareth a cappe of woll, howe
+  greuously than art thou lodyn, or what an
+  excedynge heuy burde bearest thou then I praye the
+  whiche bearest a hoole shepe and an ostryche to
+  vpon thy heed? But what saye ye to hi doth not
+  he more folyssly which beareth a byrd vpon his
+  heed, and an asse in his ||brest. Poliphemus.
+  There ye nypped & taunted me in dede. Cannius. But
+  I wolde saye this geere dyd wonderous wel yf this
+  gospel boke dyd so adourne the with vertue as thou
+  hast adourned lymmed, and gorgiously garnysshed it
+  with many gay goodly glystryng ornamentes. Mary
+  syr thou hast set it forth in his ryght colours in
+  dede, wolde to god it might so adourne the with
+  good codicios that thou myghtest ones lerne to be
+  an honest man. Poli. There shall be no defaute in
+  me, I tell you I wyll do my diligence. Can. Naye
+  there is no doute of that, there shall be no more
+  faute in you now I dare say then was wonte to be.
+  Poli. Yea but (youre tarte tauntes, and youre
+  churlysshe checkes, and raylynges set asyde) tell
+  me I pray the this one thynge, do you thus
+  disprayse, condempne, or fynde faute with them
+  whiche caryeth aboute with them the newe testament
+  or the gospel boke? Canni. No by my fayth do I not
+  good ||praty man. Poliphe. Call ye me but a
+  praty one and I am hygher then you by ye length
+  of a good asses heed. Can. I thynke not fully so
+  moche yf the asse stretch forth his eares, but go
+  to it skyllis no matter of that, let it passe, he
+  that bare Christ vpon his backe was called
+  Christofer, and thou whiche bearest the gospell
+  boke aboute with the shall for Poliphemus be
+  called the gospeller or the gospell bearer. Polip.
+  Do not you counte it an holy thynge to cary aboute
+  with a man the newe testament? Cani. why no syr by
+  my trouth do I not, except thou graunte the very
+  asses to be holy to. Poli. How can an asse be
+  holy? Cannius. For one asse alone is able to beare
+  thre hundreth suche bokes, and I thynke suche a
+  great lubber as thou art were stronge inoughe to
+  beare as great a burden, and yf thou had a hansome
+  packesadle sette vpon thy backe. Poliphe. And yet
+  for all your iestynge it is not agaynst good
+  reason to saye ||that ye asse was holy which
+  bore christ. Cannius. I do not enuye you man for
+  this holynes for I had as lefe you had that
+  holynes as I, and yf it please you to take it I
+  wyll geue you an holy & a religious relyke of the
+  selfe same asse whiche christ rode vpon, and whan
+  ye haue it ye may kysse it lycke it and cull it as
+  ofte as ye lyst. Poli. Mary syr I thanke you, ye
+  can not gyue me a more thanckefull gyfte nor do me
+  a greatter pleasure, for that asse withouten any
+  tayle was made as holye as any asse could be by
+  the touchynge of christes body. Cannius. Undouted
+  they touched christes body also whiche stroke and
+  buffeted christ. Poliphe. yea but tell me this one
+  thynge I praye the in good ernest. Is it not a
+  great sygne of holynes in a man to cary aboute the
+  gospel boke or the newe testament? Cannius. It is
+  a token of holynes in dede if it be done without
+  hypocrysie, I meane if it be done without
+  dissimulacion/ and for ||that end, intent &
+  purpose, that it shuld be done for. Poliphe. What
+  the deuyl & a morten tellest thou a man of warre
+  of hypocrisie, away with hypocrisie to the monkes
+  and the freers. Cannius. Yea but bycause ye saye
+  so, tell me fyrste I praye you what ye call
+  hypocrisie. Po. When a man pretendis another thyng
+  outwardly then he meanis secretly in his mynde.
+  Cannius. But what dothe the bearynge aboute of the
+  newe testament sygnyfie. Dothe it not betoken that
+  thy lyfe shulde be conformable to the gospell
+  which thou carryest aboute with the. Poli.
+  I thynke well it dothe. Cannius. Wel then when thy
+  lyfe is not conformable to the boke, is not that
+  playne hypocrisie. Poliph. Tell me the  what you
+  call the trewe carienge of the gospell boke aboute
+  with a man. Cani. Some men beare it aboute with
+  them in theyr hades (as the gray freers were wonte
+  to beare the rule of saynt Fraunces) and so the
+  porters of Londo, Asses ||& horses may beare
+  it as well as they. And there be some other that
+  carry the gospel in theyr mouthes onlie, and such
+  haue no other talke but al of christ and his
+  gospell, and that is a very poynt of a pharysey.
+  And some other carrye it in theyr myndes. But in
+  myne opynion he beares the gospell boke as he
+  shuld do whiche bothe beares it in his hande,
+  comunes of it with his mouth whan occasyon of
+  edyfyenge of his neyghboure whan conuenyent
+  oportunytie is mynystred to him, and also beares
+  it in his mynde and thynkes vpon it withe his
+  harte. Poli. Yea thou art a mery felow, where
+  shall a man fynde suche blacke swanes? Cannius. In
+  euery cathedrall church, where there be any
+  deacons, for they beare the gospel boke i theyr
+  hade, they synge the gospell aloude, somtyme in a
+  lofte that the people may heare the, althoughe
+  they do not vnderstand it, and theyr myndes are
+  vpo it when they synge it. Polphe. And yet for all
+  your ||sayenge all suche deacons are no saynttes
+  that beare the gospell so in theyr myndes.
+  Cannius. But lest ye play the subtyle and
+  capcious sophystryar with me I wyll tell you this
+  one thynge before. No man can beare the gospell in
+  his mynde but he must nedes loue it from the
+  bothum of his harte, no man loueth it inwardly and
+  from the bothu of his harte but he must nedes
+  declare and expresse the gospell in his lyuinge,
+  outwarde maners, & behauour. Poli. I can not skyll
+  of youre subtyle reasonynges, ye are to fyne for
+  me. Can. The I wyll commune with you after a
+  grosser maner, and more playnly. yf thou dyddest
+  beare a tankard of good Reynyshe wyne vpon thy
+  shulders onelye, what other thynge were it to the
+  then a burden. Poliphe. It were none other thynge
+  truly, it is no great pleasure so beare wyne.
+  Cannius. What and yf thou dranke asmoche as thou
+  coudest well holde in thy mouthe, after the manner
+  of ||a gargarisme & spyt it out agayne. Po.
+  That wolde do me no good at all, but take me not
+  with suche a faute I trow, for the wyne is very
+  bad and if I do so. Canni. But what and yf thou
+  drynke thy skynne full as thou art wont to do, whe
+  thou comest where good wyne is. Poliphe. Mary
+  there is nothyng more godly or heuynly. Cannius.
+  It warmes you at the stomacke, it settes your body
+  in a heate, it makes you loke with a  ruddy face,
+  and setteth your hart vpon a mery pynne. Poliphe.
+  That is suerly so as ye saye in dede. Canni. The
+  gospell is suche a lyke thynge of all this worlde,
+  for after that it hathe ones persed & entered in
+  the veynes of the mynd it altereth, transposeth,
+  and cleane changeth vpsodowne the whole state of
+  ma, and chaungeth hym cleane as it were into a
+  nother man. Polip. Ah ha, nowe I wot wherabout ye
+  be, belyke ye thike that I lyue not accordynge to
+  the gospell or as a good gospeller shulde do.
+  ||Cannius. There is no man can dyssolue this
+  questio better then thy selfe. Poli. Call ye it
+  dissoluynge? Naye and yf a thynge come to
+  dyssoluynge gyue me a good sharpe axe in my hande
+  and I trow I shall dyssolue it well inoughe.
+  Canni. What woldest thou do, I praye the, and yf a
+  man shulde say to thy teth thou lyest falsely, or
+  elles call the by thy ryght name knaue in
+  englysshe. Poli. What wolde I do quod he, that is
+  a question in dede, mary he shulde feele the
+  wayghte of a payre of churlyshe fystes I warrant
+  the. Canni. And what and yf a man gaue you a good
+  cuffe vpon the eare that shulde waye a pounde?
+  Poliphe. It were a well geuen blowe that wolde
+  aduauntage hym. xx. by my trouthe and he escaped
+  so he myght say he rose vpon his ryght syde, but
+  it were maruayle & I cut not of his head harde by
+  his shulders. Canni. Yea but good felowe thy
+  gospell boke teacheth the to geue gentle answers,
+  and fayre wordes ||agayne for fowle, and to
+  hym that geueth the a blowe vpon the ryght cheke
+  to holde forth the lyfte. Poliphe. I do remembre I
+  haue red suche a thinge in my boke, but ye must
+  pardone me for I had quyte forgotten it. Can. Well
+  go to, what saye ye to prayer I suppose ye praye
+  very ofte. Poli. That is euyn as very a touche of
+  a pharesey as any can be. Cannius. I graunt it is
+  no lesse the a poynte of a pharesey to praye longe
+  and faynedly vnder a colour or pretece of holynes,
+  that is to saye when a man prayeth not fro the
+  bothum of his hart but with the lyppes only and
+  from the tethe outward, and that in opyn places
+  where great resort of people is, bycause they wold
+  be sene. But thy gospel boke teacheth the to praye
+  contynually, but so that thy prayer come from the
+  bothu of the hart. Poli. Yea but yet for all my
+  sayenge I praye sumtyme. Can. When I beseche the
+  when ye art a slepe? Poli. When it cometh in to
+  my mynde, ones ||or twyse may chaunce in a weke.
+  Can. what prayer sayst thou? Poliphe. The lordes
+  prayer, the Pater noster. Canni. Howe many tymes
+  ouer? Poli. Onis, & I trowe it is often inoughe,
+  for the gospell forbyddeth often repetynge of
+  one thynge. Canni. Can ye saye your pater noster
+  through to an ende & haue youre mynde runnynge
+  vpon nothynge elles in all that whyle? Poli.
+  By my trouthe and ye wyll beleue me I neuer yet
+  assayed nor proued whether I coulde do it or no.
+  But is it not sufficient to saye it with my
+  mouthe? Can. I can not tell whether it be or
+  no. But I am sure god here vs not excepte we praye
+  from the bothum of our harte. But tell me another
+  thyng I wyll aske the. Doest thou not fast very
+  often? Poli. No neuer in all my lyfe tyme and yf
+  it were not for lacke of meate. Can. And yet thy
+  boke alowes and commendes hyghly bothe fastynge
+  and prayer. Polip. So coulde I alowe them but that
+  my belly can ||not well affare nor a way with
+  fastyng. Cannius. Yea but Paule sayth they are not
+  the seruauntes of Iesus Christe whiche serue theyr
+  belly & make it theyr god. Do you eate fleshe
+  euery day? Po. No neuer when I haue none to eate,
+  but I neuer refuse it when it is set before me,
+  and I neuer aske question not for coscience but
+  for my belly sake. Can. Yea but these stronge
+  sturdy sydes of suche a chuffe and a lobbynge
+  lobye as thou arte wolde be fed well inoughe with
+  haye and barke of trees. Poliphe. Yea but chryste
+  sayd, that which entereth in at the mouthe
+  defyleth not the man. Canni. That is to be
+  vnderstand thus yf it be measurably taken, and
+  without the offendinge of our christian brother.
+  But Paule the disciple of chryst had rather
+  peryshe & sterue with hunger then onys to offende
+  his weyke brothren with his eatynge, and he
+  exhorteth vs to followe his example that in all
+  thynges we maye please all men. Poli. What tel
+  ||ye me of Paule, Paule is Paule and I am I.
+  Cannius. Do you gladly helpe to releue the poore
+  and the indygent with your goodes? Poli. Howe can
+  I helpe them whiche haue nothynge to gyue them,
+  and scant inoughe for my selfe. Cannius. ye myght
+  spare somthynge to helpe the with yf thou woldest
+  playe the good husband in lyuynge more warely, in
+  moderatynge thy superfluous expenses, and in
+  fallynge to thy worke lustely. Poliphemus. Nay
+  then I were a fole in dede, a penyworth of ease is
+  euer worth a peny, and nowe I haue found so moch
+  pleasure in ease that I can not fall to no labour.
+  Canni. Do you kepe the commaundementes of god?
+  Polip. Nowe ye appose me, kepe the comaundementes
+  quod he, that is a payne in dede. Cannius. Art
+  thou sory for thy synnes and thyne offences, doest
+  thou ernestly repent the for the. Poliphemus.
+  Christ hath payed the raunsome of synne and
+  satisfied for it alredy. Cannius. Howe ||prouest
+  thou then that thou louest the gospell and
+  fauoris the word of god as thou bearest men in
+  hande thou doest. Poliphemus. I wyll tell you that
+  by & by, and I dare saye you wyl confesse no
+  lesse your selfe then that I am an ernest
+  fauorer of the worde then I haue told you ye
+  tale. There was a certayne gray frere of the
+  order of saynt Fraunces with vs whiche neuer
+  ceased to bable and rayle agaynste the newe
+  testament of Erasmus, I chaunsed to talke with the
+  getylman pryuatly where no man was present but he
+  and I, and after I had communed awhyle with hym I
+  caught my frere by the polled pate with my left
+  hande and with my right hade I drew out my daggar
+  and I pomelled the knaue frere welfauardly aboute
+  his skonce that I made his face as swollen and as
+  puffed as a puddynge. Cannius. what a tale is
+  this that thou tellest me. Poliphemus. How say you
+  is not this a good and a sufficient proue that I
+  fa||uer the gospell. I gaue hym absolucion afore
+  he departed out of my handes with this newe
+  testament thryse layde vpon his pate as harde as I
+  myght dryue yt I made thre bunches in his heed
+  as bygge as thre egges in the name of the father,
+  the sone, & the holy goost. Can. Now by my trouth
+  this was well done & lyke a ryght gospeller of
+  these dayes. Truly this is as they saye to
+  dyffende the gospell with the gospell. Poliphe.
+  I met another graye frere of the same curryshe
+  couent, that knaue neuer had done in raylynge
+  agaynst Erasmus, so sone as I had espyed hym I was
+  styrred and moued with the brenninge zele of the
+  gospell that in thretenyng of him I made hym knele
+  downe vpon his knees and crye Erasmus mercie and
+  desyred me to forgyue hym, I may saye to you it
+  was hyghe tyme for hym to fall downe vpon his
+  marybones, and yf he had not done it by and by I
+  had my hal||barde vp redy to haue gyuen hym
+  betwyxt the necke and the heade, I loked as grymme
+  as modie Mars when he is in furyous fume, it is
+  trewe that I tell you, for there was inoughe sawe
+  the frere and me yf I wolde make a lye. Cannius.
+  I maruayle the frere was not out of his wyt. But
+  to retourne to oure purpose agayne, dost thou lyue
+  chastly? Poliphemus. Peraduenture I maye do here
+  after when I am more stryken in age. But shall I
+  confesse the trouthe to the? Canni. I am no preest
+  man, therfore yf thou wylt be shryuen thou must
+  seke a preest to whome thou maye be lawfully
+  confessed. Poliphe. I am wont styl to cofesse my
+  selfe to god, but I wyl confesse thus moche to the
+  at this tyme I am not yet become a perfyte
+  gospeller or an euangelical man, for I am but yet
+  as it were one of ye comune people, ye knowe wel
+  perde we gospellers haue iiii. gospels wrytten by
+  the .iiii. euange||lystes, & suche gospellers
+  as I am hunt busely, and chefely for .iiii.
+  thynges that we may haue. Unde. to prouyde dayntie
+  fare for the bellie, that nothynge be lackynge to
+  that parte of the body whiche nature hath placed
+  vnder the belly, ye wote what I meane, and to
+  obtayne and procure suche liuinge that we may lyue
+  welthely and at pleasure without carke & care. And
+  fynally that we maye do what we lyst without
+  checke or controlment, yf we gospellars lacke none
+  of all these thynges we crye and synge for ioye,
+  amonge our ful cuppes Io Io we tryumphe and are
+  wonderfull frolycke, we synge and make as mery as
+  cup and can, and saye the gospell is a lyue agayne
+  Chryst rayneth. Cannius. This is a lyfe for an
+  Epycure or a god belly and for no euangelicall
+  persone that professeth the gospell. Poli. I denye
+  not but that it is so as ye saye, but ye knowe
+  well that god is omnipotent and can do al thynges,
+  he can turne vs ||whe his wyll is sodenly in
+  to other maner of men. Cannius. So can he
+  transforme you in to hogges and swyne, the whiche
+  maye soner be done I iudge the to chaunge you into
+  good men for ye are halfe swynyshe & hoggyshe
+  alredy, your lyuynge is so beastlie. Poliphe.
+  Holde thy peas ma wolde to god there were no men
+  that dyd more hurt in the world then swyne,
+  bullockes, asses, and camelles. A ma may se many
+  men now adayes more crueller then lyons, more
+  rauenynge the wolues, more lecherous then sparous,
+  and that byte worse then mad dogges, more noysom
+  the snakes, vepers and adders. Cannius. But nowe
+  good Polipheme remembre and loke vpon thy selfe
+  for it is hyghe tyme for the to laye a syde thy
+  beastly lyuynge, and to be tourned from a brute
+  and a sauage beast in to a man. Poliphemus. I
+  thanke you good neyghbour Cannius for by saynt
+  Mary I thynke your counsayle is good/for the
+  prophetes of this ||tyme sayth the worlde is
+  almost at an end, and we shall haue domes daye
+  (as they call it) shortely. Cannius. We haue
+  therfore more nede to prepare our selues in a
+  redines agaynst that day, and that with as moche
+  spede as maye be possible. Poliphemus. as for my
+  part I loke and wayte styll euery day for the
+  myghty hande and power of christ. Cannius. Take
+  hede therfore that thou, when christ shall laye
+  his myghty hande vpon the be as tendre as waxe,
+  that accordynge to his eternall wyll he maye
+  frayme & fashyon the with his hande. But wherby I
+  praye the dothe these prophetes coniecture &
+  gather that the worlde is almost at an ende.
+  Poliphe. Bycause men (they saye) do the selfe same
+  thinge nowe adayes that they dyd, and were wont to
+  do which were lyuynge in the worlde a lytle whyle
+  before the deluge or Noyes floode. They make
+  solempne feastes, they banket, they quaffe, they
+  booll, they bybbe, they ryot men mary, ||wome
+  are maryed, they go a catterwallynge and
+  horehuntinge, they bye, they sell, they lend to
+  vserie, and borowe vpon vserie, they builde, kiges
+  keepe warre one agaynst another, preestes studie
+  howe they maye get many benefyces and promocios to
+  make them selfe riche and increase theyr worldly
+  substaunce, the diuynes make insolible sillogismus
+  and vnperfyte argumetes, they gather conclusyons,
+  monkes and freers rune, at rouers ouer all the
+  world, the comyn people are in a mase or a hurle
+  burle redy to make insurrections, and to conclude
+  breuelie there lackes no euyll miserie nor
+  myschefe, neyther hoger, thyrst fellonie,
+  robberie, warre, pestilence, sedicio, derth, and
+  great scarsytie and lacke of all good thynges. And
+  howe say you do not all these thynges argue and
+  sufficientlie proue that the worlde is almost at
+  an ende? Cannius. Yea but tell me I praye the of
+  all thes hoole hepe of euyls and miseries whiche
+  greueth the ||moste? Poliphemus. Whiche
+  thynkes thou, tell me thy fansie and coniecture?
+  Cannius. That the Deuyll (god saue vs) maye daunce
+  in thy purse for euer a crosse that thou hast to
+  kepe hi for the. Poliphe. I pray god I dye and yf
+  thou haue not hyt the nayle vpon the head. Now as
+  chaunceth I come newly from a knotte of good
+  companye where we haue dronke harde euery man for
+  his parte, & I am not behynde with myne, and
+  therfore my wytte is not halfe so freshe as it
+  wyll be, I wyll dyspute of the gospell with the
+  whan I am sobre. Canni. When shal I se the sobre?
+  Poli. When I shall be sobre. Cannius. Whe wyll
+  that be? Poliph. When thou shalt se me, in the
+  meane season god be with you gentle Cannius and
+  well mot you do. Cannius. And I wyshe to you a
+  gayne for my parte that thou ware in dede as
+  valiaunt or pusaunt a felowe as thy name soundeth.
+  Poliphe. And bycause ye shall lose nothynge at my
+  ||hande with wyshynge I pray god that Cannius
+  maye neuer lacke a good can or a stoope of wine or
+  bere, wherof he had his name.
+
+                 F  I  N  I  S
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+          [C]The dialoge of thynges
+                  and names.
+
+
+           A declaracion of the names.
+
+         Beatus, is he whiche hathe abun
+        dance of al thinges that is good,
+      and is parfyte in all thynges commen-
+     dable or prayseworthy or to be desyred
+        of a good man. Somtyme it is ta-
+          ken for fortunate, ryche, or
+            noble. Bonifacius, fayre,
+              full of fauor or well
+                    fauored.
+                      [+]
+
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+  [C]The parsons names are Beatus and Bonifacius.
+
+  _Beatus._ God saue you mayster Boniface.
+  _Bonifacius._ God saue you & god saue you agayne
+  getle _Beatus._ But I wold god bothe we were such,
+  and so in very dede as we be called by name, that
+  is to say thou riche & I fayre. _Beatus._ Why do
+  you thynke it nothynge worth at al to haue a goodly
+  glorious name. _Bonifacius._ Truely me thynke it is
+  of no valure or lytle good worthe, onles a man
+  haue the thynge itselfe whiche is sygnified by the
+  name. _Beatus._ Yea you maye well thynke your
+  pleasure, but I am assured that the most part of
+  all mortall men be of another mynde. _Bonifa._ It
+  may wel be I do not denye that they are mortal,
+  but suerly I do not byleue that they are me, which
+  are so beastly mynded. _Bea._ Yes good syr and they
+  be men to laye ||your lyfe, onlesse ye thynke
+  camels and asses do walke about vnder the fygure
+  and forme of men. _Boni._ Mary I can soner beleue
+  that then that they be men whiche esteme and passe
+  more vpon the name, then the thynge. _Bea._
+  I graunte in certayne kyndes of thinges moost men
+  had rather haue the thynge then the name, but in
+  many thynges it is otherwyse and cleane cotrary.
+  _Bo._ I can not well tell what ye meane by that.
+  _Bea._ And yet the example of this matter is
+  apparant or sufficiently declared in vs two. Thou
+  arte called Bonifacius and thou hast in dede the
+  thynge wherby thou bearest thy name. Yet if there
+  were no other remedy but eyther thou must lacke
+  the one or the other, whether had you rather haue
+  a fowle and deformed face or elles for Boniface be
+  called Maleface or horner? _Boni._ Beleue me I had
+  rather be called fowle Thersites then haue a
+  monstrous or a deformyed face, whether I haue a
+  good face or no ||I can not tell. _Bea._ And
+  euen so had I for yf I were ryche and there were
+  no remedy but that I must eyther forgoo my
+  rychesse, or my name I had rather be called Irus
+  whiche was a poore beggers name then lacke my
+  ryches. _Boni._ I agree to you for asmoch as ye
+  speake the trouth, and as you thynke. _Bea._ Iudge
+  all them to be of the same mynde that I am of
+  whiche are indued with helthe or other commodities
+  and qualities appartaynynge to the body. _Boni._
+  That is very trewe. _Bea._ Yea but I praye the
+  cosyder and marke howe many men we se whiche had
+  rather haue the name of a lerned and a holy man,
+  then to be well lerned, vertuous, & holy in dede.
+  _Boni._ I knowe a good sorte of suche men for my
+  part. _Bea._ Tell me thy fatasie I pray the do not
+  suche men passe more vpon the name then the
+  thinge? _Boni._ Methynke thy do. _Bea._ Yf we had a
+  logician here whiche could well and clarkelie
+  defyne what were a kynge, what a bysshoppe,
+  ||what a magistrate, what a philosopher is,
+  padueture we shuld find som amog these iolly
+  felowes whiche had rather haue the name then the
+  thynge. _Boni._ Surely & so thynke I. Yf he be a
+  kinge whiche by lawe and equyte regardes more the
+  commoditie of his people then his owne lucre/yf he
+  be a bisshop which alwayes is careful for the
+  lordes flocke comytted to his pastorall charge/yf
+  he be a magistrate which frankelie and of good
+  wyll dothe make prouysyon, and dothe all thinge
+  for the comyn welthes sake/and yf he be a
+  phylosopher whiche passynge not vpon the goodes of
+  this worlde, only geueth hym selfe to attayn to a
+  good mynde, and to leade a vertuous lyfe. _Bea._
+  Lo thus ye may perseyue what a nombre of semblable
+  exaples ye may collecte & gether. _Boni._ Undouted
+  a great sorte. _Bea._ But I pray the tel me wyll
+  you saye that all these are no men. _Boni._ Nay I
+  feare rather lest in so sayenge it shulde cost vs
+  our lyues, and ||so myght we our selues shortelye
+  be no men. _Bea._ Yf man be a resonable creature,
+  howe ferre dyffers this from all good reason, that
+  in comodities apertayning to the body (for so
+  they deserue rather to be called then goodnes) and
+  in outwarde gyftes whiche dame fortune geues and
+  takes awaye at her pleasure, we had rather haue
+  the thynge then the name, and in the true and only
+  goodnes of the mynd we passe more vpon the name
+  then the thynge. _Boni._ So god helpe me it is a
+  corrupte and a preposterours iudgement, yf a man
+  marke and consyder it wel. _Bea._ The selfe same
+  reason is in contrarie thinges. _Boni._ I wolde
+  gladly knowe what ye meane by that. _Bea._ We maye
+  iudge lykewyse the same of the names of thynges to
+  be eschued, and incommodites which was spoken of
+  thynges to be diffyred and comodites. _Boni._ Nowe
+  I haue considered the thynges well, it apereth to
+  be euen so as ye saye in dede. __Bea.__ It
+  shulde be ||more feared of a good prynce to be
+  a tyraunt in dede then to haue the name of a
+  tyraunt. And yf an euyll bysshop be a thefe and a
+  robber, then we shulde not so greatly abhorre and
+  hate the name as the thynge. _Boni._ Eyther so it
+  is or so it shuld be. _Bea._ Nowe gather you of the
+  rest as I haue done of the prynce & the bysshop.
+  _Boni._ Me thynkes I vnderstande this gere
+  wonderouse well. _Bea._ Do not all men hate the
+  name of a fole or to be called a moome, a sotte,
+  or an asse? _Boni._ Yeas as moche as they do any
+  one thynge. _Bea._ And how saye you were not he a
+  starke fole that wold fishe with a golde bayte,
+  that wolde preferre or esteme glasse better then
+  precious stones, or whiche loues his horse or
+  dogges better then his wyfe and his chyldre?
+  _Boni._ He were as wyse as waltoms calfe, or
+  madder then iacke of Redyng. _Bea._ And be not
+  they as wyse whiche not assygned, chosen, nor yet
+  ones appoynted by the magistrates, but vpon ||theyr
+  owne heed aduenture to runne to the warres for
+  hoope of a lytle gayne, ieoperdynge theyr bodyes
+  and daungerynge theyr soules? Or howe wyse be
+  they which busie the selfe to get, gleyne, and
+  reepe to gyther, goodes and ryches when they haue
+  a mynde destitute and lackyng all goodness? Are
+  not they also euen as wyse that go gorgyously
+  apparylled, and buyldes goodly sumptuous houses,
+  when theyr myndes are not regarded but neglect
+  fylthye and with all kynde of vyce fowle
+  corrupted? And how wyse are they whiche are
+  carefull diligent and busie, about the helthe of
+  theyr body neglectynge and not myndynge at all
+  theyr soule, in daunger of so many deedly synnes?
+  And fynally to conclude howe wyse be they whiche
+  for a lytle shorte transytorye pleasure of this
+  lyfe deserue euerlastynge tormentes and
+  punyshementes? _Boni._ Euen reason forseth me to
+  graunt that they are more then fratyke and
+  folyshe. _Bea._ Yea ||but althoughe all the
+  whole worlde be full of suche fooles, a man can
+  scaselye fynde one whiche can abyde the name of a
+  foole, and yet they deserue to be called so for
+  asmoche as they hate not the thynge. _Boni._ Suerly
+  it is euen so as ye seye. _Bea._ Ye knowe also howe
+  the names of a lyar and a thefe are abhorred and
+  hated of all men. _Boni._ They are spyteful and
+  odious names, and abhorred of all men, and not
+  withe out good cause why. _Bea._ I graunte that,
+  but althoughe to commyt adulterie be a more wycked
+  synne then thefte yet for al that some men reioyse
+  and shewe them selfe glad of that name, whiche
+  wolde be redy by and by to drawe theyr swerdes and
+  fyghte withe a man that wolde or durst call them
+  theues. _Boni._ It is true there are many wolde
+  take it euyll as you saye in dede. _Bea._ And nowe
+  it is commyn to that poynt that thoughe there are
+  many vnthryftes and spedals whiche consume theyr
+  substaunce at the ||wyne and vpon harlottes,
+  and yet so wyllynge to continewe openly that all
+  the worlde wonders at them, yet they wyll be
+  offended and take peper in the noose yf a man
+  shulde call them ruffyans or baudy knaues. _Boni._
+  Suche fellowes thynke they deserue prayse for the
+  thynge, and yet for all that they can not abyde
+  the name dewe to the thinge whiche they deserue.
+  _Bea._ There is scarslye any name amonges vs more
+  intollerable or worse can be abydden then to be
+  called a lyar or a lyeng fellowe. _Boni._ I haue
+  knowen some or this whiche haue kylled men for
+  suche a spytefull worde as that is. _Bea._ Yea yea
+  but wolde god suche hasty fellowes dyd as well
+  abhorre the thinge and hate lienge as well as to
+  be called lyers, was it neuer thy chaunce to be
+  dysceyued of any man whiche borowinge mony of the
+  appoyntynge the a certayne daye to repaye the sayd
+  money and so performyd not his appoyntment nor
+  kept his day? ||_Boni._ Yeas many tymes (god
+  knoweth) and yet hath he sworne many a greuous
+  othe and that not one tyme but many tymes. _Bea._
+  Peraduenture he wolde haue ben so honest as to
+  haue payed it and yf he had had wherwith. _Boni._
+  Naye that is not so for he was able inoughe, but
+  as he thought it better neuer to paye his dettes.
+  _Bea._ And what call you this in englyshe, is it
+  not playne lyenge? _Boni._ Yes as playne as
+  Dunstable way, there can not be a lowder lye then
+  this is. _Bea._ Durste you be so bolde to pulle
+  one of these good detters of yours by the sleue and
+  saye thus to hym, why hast thou dysceyued me so
+  many tymes and broken promyse with me, or to talke
+  to hym in playne englyshe, why doest thou make me
+  so many lyes? _Boni._ Why no syr by my trouthe
+  durst I not, excepte I were mynded before to chauge
+  halfe a dosen drye blowes with hym. _Bea._ Dothe
+  not masons Brekelayers, Carpenters, Smy||thes,
+  Goldsmithes, Taylours, disceyue and disapoynt vs
+  after the lyke maner daylye promysynge to do youre
+  worke suche a daye and suche a daye without any
+  fayle, or further delaye, and yet for all that
+  they parforme not theyr promesse althoughe it
+  stande the neuer somoche vpon hande, or that thou
+  shuldest take neuer so moche profyte by it. _Boni._
+  This is a wonderous and strange vnshamefast
+  knauerye of all that euer I hard of. But and ye
+  speake of breakers of promyse then ye maye reken
+  amongest them lawyers and atturneys at the lawe,
+  which wyl not stycke to promyse or beare you in
+  hande that they wyll be diligent and ernest in the
+  furtherauce and spedie expedicion of your sute.
+  _Bea._ Reken quod he, naye ye maye reken fyve
+  hundreth mennes names besyde these of sundrye
+  faculties and occupacions whiche wyll promyse more
+  by an ynch of a candle then they wyll performe by
+  a whole pounde. _Boni._ Why ||and ye call this
+  lyenge all the worlde is full of suche lyenge.
+  _Bea._ Ye se also lykewyse that no man can abyde to
+  be called thefe, and yet all men do not abhorre
+  the thynge so greatly. _Boni._ I wolde gladly haue
+  you to declare your mynde in this more playnlye &
+  at large. _Bea._ What difference is there betwene
+  hym whiche stealeth thy money forthe of thy cofer,
+  and hym whiche forsweareth and falsely denyeth
+  that whiche thou comytted to his custodie to be
+  reserued and safely kept for thy vse only, or to
+  suche tyme as thou arte mynded to call for it
+  agayne. _Boni._ There is as they say neyther
+  barrell better hearing, but that in my iudgement
+  he is the falser knaue of the twayne whiche robbes
+  a man that puttes his confidence and trust in hym.
+  _Bea._ yea but howe fewe men are there nowe adayes
+  lyuynge whiche are contente to restore agayne that
+  whiche they were put in truste to kepe, or yf they
+  deluer it agayne it is ||so dymynysshed,
+  gelded, nypped, and pynched, that it is not
+  delyuered whollye, but some thinge cleues in theyr
+  fyngers, that the prouerbe may haue place where
+  the horse walloweth there lyeth some heares.
+  _Boni._ I thynke but a fewe that dothe otherwyse.
+  _Bea._ And yet for all that there is none of al
+  these that ca abyde it ones to be called thefe,
+  and yet forsothe they hate not the thing so
+  greatly. _Boni._ That is as trewe as the gospell.
+  _Bea._ Consyder me nowe and marke I beseche the
+  howe the goodes of orphanes, pupylls, wardes, and
+  fatherlesse chyldren be comunely ordered and vsed,
+  how wylles and testamentes be executed and
+  performed, how legacyes and bequethes be communelye
+  payde, Naye howe moche cleueth and hangeth fast in
+  the fyngers of the executors or with them that
+  mynyster and intermedle with the goodes of the
+  testatours. _Boni._ Many tymes they retayne and
+  kepe in theyr handes all togy||ther. _Bea._ Yea
+  they loue to playe the thefe well inoughe, but they
+  loue nothynge worse then to here of it. _Boni._
+  That is very trewe. _Bea._ Howe lytle dyffers he
+  from a thefe whiche boroweth money of one and other
+  and so runneth in dette, with this intent and
+  purpose that yf he maye escape so or fynde suche a
+  crafty colour or a subtyle shyft, he intendeth
+  neuer to paye that he oweth. _Boni._ Paraduenture
+  he maye be called warer or more craftier the a
+  thefe is in dede but no poynt better, for it is
+  hard chosyng of a better where there is neuer a
+  good of them bothe. _Bea._ yea but althoughe there
+  be in euery place a great nombre of such
+  makeshyftes and slypper marchauntes yet the
+  starkest knaue of the all can not abyde to be
+  called thefe. _Boni._ God onely knoweth euery manes
+  hart and mynd, and therfore they are called of vs
+  men that are runne in dette or fer behynde the
+  hande, but not theues for that soun||deth vnswetely
+  and lyke a playne song note. _Bea._ What skyllys it
+  howe they be called amoge men yf they be theues
+  afore god. And where you say that god onely knoweth
+  euery mannes hart and mynde, euen so euery man
+  knoweth his owne mynde, whether in his wordes &
+  doynges he entende fraude, couyn, dysceyte, and
+  thefte or no. But what say ye by hym whiche when he
+  oweth more then he is worthe, wyll not stycke to
+  lashe prodygallye and set the cocke vpon the hoope,
+  and yet yf he haue any money at all lefte to spende
+  that a waye vnthryftely, and when he hathe played
+  the parte of a knauyshe spendall in one cytie
+  deludinge and disceyuyng his creditours, ronnes
+  out of this countre and getteth hym to some other
+  good towne, and there sekynge for straugers and
+  newe acquayntauce whom he may lykewyse begyle, yea
+  and playeth many suche lyke partes and shameful
+  shiftes. I praye the tell me dothe not suche a
+  ||greke declare euydentlye by his crafty
+  dealynge and false demeanour, what mynde is he of?
+  _Boni._ yes suerly as euydentlye as can be
+  possible. But yet suche felowes are wonte to
+  colour and cloke theyr doynges vnder a craftie
+  pretence. _Bea._ With what I beseche the? _Boni._
+  They saye to owe moche and to dyuers persones is
+  communely vsed of great men, yea and of kynges
+  also as well as of them, and therfore they that
+  intende to be of that disposycyon wyll beare out
+  to the harde hedge the porte of a gentylman and
+  soo they wyll be taken and estemed for gentilmen
+  of the commune people. _Bea._ A gentylman and why
+  or to what entent and purpose a gentylman? _Boni._
+  It is a straunge thynge to be spoken howe moche
+  they thynke it is mete for a gentylman or a
+  horseman to take vpon hym. _Bea._ By what equytie,
+  authoritie, or lawes. _Boni._ By none other but by
+  the selfe same lawes that the Admiralles of the
+  ||sees chalenge a proprietie in all suche thynges
+  as are cast vpon the shoore by wracke, althoughe
+  the ryghte owner come forthe and chalenge his owne
+  goodes. And also by the same lawes that some other
+  men saye all is theyrs what soeuer is founde
+  aboute a thefe or a robber whe he is take. _Boni._
+  Such lawes as these are the arrantest theues that
+  are myght make them selues. _Bea._ yea and ye may
+  be sure they wold gladly with al theyr harts i
+  their bodies make suche lawes yf they coulde
+  mayntayne them or were of power to se them
+  executed, and they myght haue some thynge to laye
+  for theyr excuse if they could proclayme opyn warre
+  before they fell to robbynge. _Boni._ But who gaue
+  that pryuylege rather to a horseman then to a
+  foteman, or more to a gentylman the to a good
+  yeman. _Bea._ The fauoure that is shewed to men of
+  warre, for by suche shyftes and thus they practyse
+  before to be good men of warre that they ||maye be
+  more redy & hansome to spoyle theyr enemyes when
+  they shall encounter with the. _Boni._ I thynke
+  Pyrhus dyd so exercyse and breake his yonge
+  souldyers to the warres. _Bea._ No not Pyrrhus but
+  the Lacedemonians dyd. _Boni._ Mary syr hange vp
+  suche practysers or soldyers and theyr practisyng
+  to. But howe come they by the name of horsemen or
+  gentylmen that they vsurpe suche a great
+  prerogatyue? _Bea._ Some of them are gentylme borne
+  and it cometh to them by auncestrie, some bye it
+  by the meanes of maystrys money, and other some
+  gette it by certayne shyftes. _Boni._ But maye
+  euery man that wyl and lyst come by it by shyftes?
+  _Bea._ Yea why not, euery man maye be a gentylman
+  nowe adayes very well and yf theyr condicions and
+  maners be accordynge. _Boni._ What maners or
+  condicions must suche one haue I beseche the?
+  _Bea._ Yf he be occupyed aboute no goodnesse, yf he
+  can ruffle it ||and swashe in his satens and his
+  silkes and go gorgiously apparelled, yf he can
+  ratle in his rynges vpon the fyngers endes, yf he
+  can playe the ruffyan and the horemonger and kepe
+  a gaye hoore gallantlye, yf he be neuer well at
+  ease but when he is playenge at the dyse, yf he be
+  able to matche as moche an vnthryfte as hym selfe
+  with a newe payre of cardes, yf he spende his tyme
+  lyke an epycure vpon bankettinge, sumptuous fare,
+  and all kynde of pleasures, yf he talke of no
+  rascalles nor beggars, but bragge, bost, face,
+  brace, and crake of castelles, towers, and
+  skyrmysshes, and yf all his talke be of the warres
+  and blody battels, and playe the parte of
+  crackinge Thraso throughly, such gaye grekes,
+  lusty brutes and ionkers may take vpon them to be
+  at defyaunce withe whome they wyll and lyst,
+  thoughe the gentylman haue neuer a fote of lande
+  to lyue vpon. _Boni._ Call ye them horsmen. Mary
+  syr suche horsemen are wel ||worthy to ryde vpo
+  the gallowes, these are gentylmen of the Iebet of
+  all that euer I haue harde of. _Bea._ But yet there
+  be not afewe suche in that parte of Germany called
+  Nassen or Hessen.
+
+
+                 F  I  N  I  S
+
+          Traslated by Edmonde Becke
+           And prynted at Cantorbury
+            in saynt Paules parishe
+                by John Mychell.
+                      [+]
+
+       *       *       *       *       *
+           *       *       *       *
+       *       *       *       *       *
+
+[Transcriber's note: The following typographical
+errors were corrected.
+  "soldyers cassocke, a payre of hoose all to cut and
+  manglyd, may co||uer an euangelycall mynde."
+      hoose _was_ hoofe
+  "Poliphe. Naye I knowe hym whiche bereth a shepe
+  vpon his heed, and a sore in his brest"
+      sore _was_ fore
+  "orphanes, pupylls, wardes, and fatherlesse
+  chyldren be comunely ordered and vsed, how wylles"
+      comunely _was_ comuuely ]
+
+
+
+
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